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Opera 10.60 Released: WebM, AppCache, WebWorkers, Geolocation and Speed

75 points by Indyan 16y ago

Saad_M 16y ago
I think a new potato test is called for! :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8)
rodion_89 16y ago
Finally an upgrade to the Linux version of the browser! In testing it has been up to par, as advertised, so far.
- cdawzrd 16y ago
  In my testing (Ubuntu 10.04 x64) there are tons of bugs. Bookmark import dialog box won't close, some pages crash when restoring the session after exit, it's much slower than chrome or firefox... Am I the only one seeing problems?
  - rodion_89 16y ago
    I'm actually on the same setup (Ubuntu 10.04 x64) and I haven't had any of those bugs. I didn't import bookmarks at all (using the same profile from Opera 10.11) and it's much faster than Firefox and Opera 10.11. Chromium is about on par in term of launch time but is slower in term of page load speeds. I've only been using this since yesterday when it was released but I haven't seen a bug so far.
colonelxc 16y ago
I'm pretty impressed with the effort Opera has been making lately. It certainly makes the browser war more interesting. Also, the linux upgrade is awesome. I was beginning to worry about their linux support (considering 10.50 hadn't been released yet).
- robryan 16y ago
  It's great for the browser market as a whole, Chrome, IE, Safari, FF and Opera each want to constantly one up each other so if Opera has pulled ahead again in speed you can be sure the others will be aiming to beat it.
axod 16y ago
No WebSocket :( boo
- pornel 16y ago
  OTOH Opera was first to implement <event-source src=""> element (now redesigned as JS-only API, leaving Opera incompatible). This implementation still seems to be present in 10.6.
avar 16y ago
They feature Hacker News in their promotion material for the release: http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=speeddial http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=speeddial
budman 16y ago
SO excited. I continue to be impressed with Opera corp in 2010. They fumbled a bit with inital 10.x release but recovered in a big way with 10.5x and now this one is the Best Opera EVER. This one even beats out Iron Browser in Peacemaker benchmark for me, which has been a very formidable opponent until now.. http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5002/81454201.png http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5002/81454201.png
- endtime 16y ago
  Likewise. I just installed it and it feels...really fast. My Facebook homepage seems to load much faster than it did in 10.5x, which was already no slouch.
kleiba 16y ago
Is FOSS actually important to anyone?
- sidmitra 16y ago
  I think it's more about giving credit for a good piece of software proprietary or otherwise.
- CoryMathews 16y ago
  Opera's code may not be open source but its more available then any other browser. Mobiles, Wii, Linux, Mac, PC.. They always apply the open standards the same as FireFox, and never set their own standards.
- Indyan 16y ago
  Opera is not open sourcing their engine as it doesn't fit in with their business model (they earn revenue by licensing their engine to companies like Adobe). However, where ever possible Opera encourages open standards and openness. They have been amongst the strongest supporters of Ogg Theora and now WebM. Their DragonFly developers tool is open source. Opera's Ogg Theora video player is based on open source gstreamer. http://sourcecode.opera.com/gstreamer/ http://sourcecode.opera.com/gstreamer/ Also notable is Opera's opposition to software patents and their contribution to the W3C and WHATWG.
a2tech 16y ago
And still has the bug where if you use right click+left click to go back a page, if your cursor lands on a link when the page loads it automatically follows it.
- powrtoch 16y ago
  I was surprised to read this, but can't seem to reproduce the problem... submit a bug report?
  - a2tech 16y ago
    Yup-bug report submitted. I can replicate it on both my OS X machines-position your cursor over a hyperlink and click to follow it. Without moving the mouse, press right click+left click to go back a page. Release the mouse buttons. If your mouse is positioned correctly still Opera will immediately follow the link again. Its aggravating, especially since I don't tend to move the mouse cursor much.
adbge 16y ago
Glad to see that there are FreeBSD and OpenSolaris versions available (a clear advantage over Chromium!), considering I've recently transitioned my desktop box to FreeBSD. I'll have to give Opera a spin and run some benchmarks of my own.
- aw3c2 16y ago
  Do you really value benchmarks over the general usability and usefulness of a web browser? I love Opera and could not care less how fast its Javascript or rendering engines are. Unless pages are abusing them or have bugs, it just does not matter to me.
powrtoch 16y ago
In the eye candy department... Anyone notice the new effects on the tab rollover? Nice fading gradient and slick animation if you then hover over a different one. Not that WebM and Geolocation aren't cool too...
GrandMasterBirt 16y ago
It is quite incredible with it's speed. I just might become a believer :) Firefox is plagued by performance problems on linux (at least for me). To be honest compared to chrome FF is pretty sluggish feeling. But Opera "feels" faster than chrome :) Its impressive.
johnohara 16y ago
Used Opera last summer for about 6 weeks but ultimately gravitated back to FF. Kept it installed and used it periodically to check CSS rendering between browsers. I liked 10.5 but not enough. I've noticed performance issues with FF lately so I upgraded to Opera 10.6 today just to see. Yeesh. This is fast. I'm going to stay for a while. It's a nice experience.

75 points by Indyan 16y ago

I think a new potato test is called for! :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8)

rodion_89 16y ago

Finally an upgrade to the Linux version of the browser! In testing it has been up to par, as advertised, so far.

cdawzrd 16y ago
In my testing (Ubuntu 10.04 x64) there are tons of bugs. Bookmark import dialog box won't close, some pages crash when restoring the session after exit, it's much slower than chrome or firefox... Am I the only one seeing problems?
- rodion_89 16y ago
  I'm actually on the same setup (Ubuntu 10.04 x64) and I haven't had any of those bugs. I didn't import bookmarks at all (using the same profile from Opera 10.11) and it's much faster than Firefox and Opera 10.11. Chromium is about on par in term of launch time but is slower in term of page load speeds. I've only been using this since yesterday when it was released but I haven't seen a bug so far.

colonelxc 16y ago

I'm pretty impressed with the effort Opera has been making lately. It certainly makes the browser war more interesting. Also, the linux upgrade is awesome. I was beginning to worry about their linux support (considering 10.50 hadn't been released yet).

robryan 16y ago
It's great for the browser market as a whole, Chrome, IE, Safari, FF and Opera each want to constantly one up each other so if Opera has pulled ahead again in speed you can be sure the others will be aiming to beat it.

axod 16y ago

No WebSocket :( boo

pornel 16y ago
OTOH Opera was first to implement <event-source src=""> element (now redesigned as JS-only API, leaving Opera incompatible). This implementation still seems to be present in 10.6.

avar 16y ago

They feature Hacker News in their promotion material for the release: http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=speeddial http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=speeddial

budman 16y ago

SO excited. I continue to be impressed with Opera corp in 2010. They fumbled a bit with inital 10.x release but recovered in a big way with 10.5x and now this one is the Best Opera EVER. This one even beats out Iron Browser in Peacemaker benchmark for me, which has been a very formidable opponent until now.. http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5002/81454201.png http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5002/81454201.png

endtime 16y ago
Likewise. I just installed it and it feels...really fast. My Facebook homepage seems to load much faster than it did in 10.5x, which was already no slouch.

kleiba 16y ago

Is FOSS actually important to anyone?

sidmitra 16y ago
I think it's more about giving credit for a good piece of software proprietary or otherwise.
CoryMathews 16y ago
Opera's code may not be open source but its more available then any other browser. Mobiles, Wii, Linux, Mac, PC.. They always apply the open standards the same as FireFox, and never set their own standards.
Indyan 16y ago
Opera is not open sourcing their engine as it doesn't fit in with their business model (they earn revenue by licensing their engine to companies like Adobe). However, where ever possible Opera encourages open standards and openness. They have been amongst the strongest supporters of Ogg Theora and now WebM. Their DragonFly developers tool is open source. Opera's Ogg Theora video player is based on open source gstreamer. http://sourcecode.opera.com/gstreamer/ http://sourcecode.opera.com/gstreamer/ Also notable is Opera's opposition to software patents and their contribution to the W3C and WHATWG.

a2tech 16y ago

And still has the bug where if you use right click+left click to go back a page, if your cursor lands on a link when the page loads it automatically follows it.

powrtoch 16y ago
I was surprised to read this, but can't seem to reproduce the problem... submit a bug report?
- a2tech 16y ago
  Yup-bug report submitted. I can replicate it on both my OS X machines-position your cursor over a hyperlink and click to follow it. Without moving the mouse, press right click+left click to go back a page. Release the mouse buttons. If your mouse is positioned correctly still Opera will immediately follow the link again. Its aggravating, especially since I don't tend to move the mouse cursor much.

adbge 16y ago

Glad to see that there are FreeBSD and OpenSolaris versions available (a clear advantage over Chromium!), considering I've recently transitioned my desktop box to FreeBSD. I'll have to give Opera a spin and run some benchmarks of my own.

aw3c2 16y ago
Do you really value benchmarks over the general usability and usefulness of a web browser? I love Opera and could not care less how fast its Javascript or rendering engines are. Unless pages are abusing them or have bugs, it just does not matter to me.

powrtoch 16y ago

In the eye candy department... Anyone notice the new effects on the tab rollover? Nice fading gradient and slick animation if you then hover over a different one. Not that WebM and Geolocation aren't cool too...

GrandMasterBirt 16y ago

It is quite incredible with it's speed. I just might become a believer :) Firefox is plagued by performance problems on linux (at least for me). To be honest compared to chrome FF is pretty sluggish feeling. But Opera "feels" faster than chrome :) Its impressive.

johnohara 16y ago

Used Opera last summer for about 6 weeks but ultimately gravitated back to FF. Kept it installed and used it periodically to check CSS rendering between browsers. I liked 10.5 but not enough. I've noticed performance issues with FF lately so I upgraded to Opera 10.6 today just to see. Yeesh. This is fast. I'm going to stay for a while. It's a nice experience.