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While I agree they're scum, do you want to sleep in a home occupied by someone who has overwhelming hate for your race? Would you want to eat a wedding cake som

While I agree they're scum, do you want to sleep in a home occupied by someone who has overwhelming hate for your race? Would you want to eat a wedding cake someone was legally forced to bake for you?

chickenfries 9y ago
So should we go back to white only hotels? Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts?
- TallGuyShort 9y ago
  >> So should we go back to white only hotels? Where people want to have a white only hotel today, they can still effectively have one. They just have to be slightly more careful. >> Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts? Not what I said at all. I don't think blacks should have any restrictions on where they travel on the basis of their race. But if I was black and I checked into a B&B and got the distinct albeit subtle impression that the person was a racist and only accomodated me because it was too late for them to back out with legal ramifications, would I feel comfortable spending the night and eating the breakfast they prepared for me? Not remotely. I wouldn't vote yes on a ballot measure to repeal all laws against discrimination, but I'm also not entirely convinced that they have much to do with actually causing the progress that's been made for minorities.
burkaman 9y ago
The point of all discrimination laws is that sometimes you don't have a choice. If there was only one racist guy in America, discrimination wouldn't be illegal. Historically, it was nearly impossible for many people to find a hotel room owned by someone without overwhelming hate for their race, which is why we have laws against acting on those beliefs. While the situation has improved, there's still enough widespread discrimination that these laws are necessary. Nobody wants to sleep in a home occupied by a racist, but they also don't want to be barred from going on vacation at all.
- giantwolf2017 9y ago
  Try that today. Businesses stay alive on margins. Sure, 50 years ago if you were a white business owner and you took a black guys money, you might be ostracized by your community. Racism in an economic sense today only hurts the racist. Do you think banks are going to turn down the profit of a black mortgage if it is profitable? Do you think this lady on the mountain is just going to turn down money because the renter is Asian? I'm just saying it's not the norm. Do people have stereotypes about cultures? Of course. Would someone rather have someone of the same ethnic or cultural background stay in their house? Probably, and I don't think thats entirely unreasonable. But it's not a acceptable in our society and I think that's a good thing. In order to bridge the gap there are certain conditions, protocols and expectations that are followed. In this case there are two people of different cultures (and culture may not have had anything to do with it, all cultures have ass's), one is bending over backwards for the other, who seems to have very little respect for the rules that are in place to bridge the divide between people and create a fair, equitable and nondiscriminutory enviroment. Rules are in place to set a standard that otherwise might not exist across cultures. Break the rules, then complain that you have been stereotyped by acting out the exact stereotype? Seems a touch hypocritical.
  - burkaman 9y ago
    > Do you think banks are going to turn down the profit of a black mortgage if it is profitable? I'm sure you've heard of redlining, and yes it does still happen: https://archives.hud.gov/news/2015/pr15-064b.cfm https://archives.hud.gov/news/2015/pr15-064b.cfm https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/business/dealbook/evans-bank-settles-new-york-redlining-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/business/dealbook/evans-b... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-consumer-financial-protection-bureau-reach-settlement-hudson-city https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-consum... Those are just a few examples that happen to be linked on Wikipedia. > Do you think this lady on the mountain is just going to turn down money because the renter is Asian? Yes, because that's what she said. I do my best to take people at their word unless there's a good reason not to. > I'm just saying it's not the norm. We could argue about what "norm" means, but at the very least, it's common. It's not just isolated incidents of crazy people doing crazy things. I'm sorry but I didn't really follow the rest of your comment. As far as I can tell there's no culture clash or unwritten rules at issue in this story.

chickenfries 9y ago

So should we go back to white only hotels? Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts?

TallGuyShort 9y ago
>> So should we go back to white only hotels? Where people want to have a white only hotel today, they can still effectively have one. They just have to be slightly more careful. >> Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts? Not what I said at all. I don't think blacks should have any restrictions on where they travel on the basis of their race. But if I was black and I checked into a B&B and got the distinct albeit subtle impression that the person was a racist and only accomodated me because it was too late for them to back out with legal ramifications, would I feel comfortable spending the night and eating the breakfast they prepared for me? Not remotely. I wouldn't vote yes on a ballot measure to repeal all laws against discrimination, but I'm also not entirely convinced that they have much to do with actually causing the progress that's been made for minorities.

burkaman 9y ago

The point of all discrimination laws is that sometimes you don't have a choice. If there was only one racist guy in America, discrimination wouldn't be illegal. Historically, it was nearly impossible for many people to find a hotel room owned by someone without overwhelming hate for their race, which is why we have laws against acting on those beliefs. While the situation has improved, there's still enough widespread discrimination that these laws are necessary. Nobody wants to sleep in a home occupied by a racist, but they also don't want to be barred from going on vacation at all.

giantwolf2017 9y ago
Try that today. Businesses stay alive on margins. Sure, 50 years ago if you were a white business owner and you took a black guys money, you might be ostracized by your community. Racism in an economic sense today only hurts the racist. Do you think banks are going to turn down the profit of a black mortgage if it is profitable? Do you think this lady on the mountain is just going to turn down money because the renter is Asian? I'm just saying it's not the norm. Do people have stereotypes about cultures? Of course. Would someone rather have someone of the same ethnic or cultural background stay in their house? Probably, and I don't think thats entirely unreasonable. But it's not a acceptable in our society and I think that's a good thing. In order to bridge the gap there are certain conditions, protocols and expectations that are followed. In this case there are two people of different cultures (and culture may not have had anything to do with it, all cultures have ass's), one is bending over backwards for the other, who seems to have very little respect for the rules that are in place to bridge the divide between people and create a fair, equitable and nondiscriminutory enviroment. Rules are in place to set a standard that otherwise might not exist across cultures. Break the rules, then complain that you have been stereotyped by acting out the exact stereotype? Seems a touch hypocritical.
- burkaman 9y ago
  > Do you think banks are going to turn down the profit of a black mortgage if it is profitable? I'm sure you've heard of redlining, and yes it does still happen: https://archives.hud.gov/news/2015/pr15-064b.cfm https://archives.hud.gov/news/2015/pr15-064b.cfm https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/business/dealbook/evans-bank-settles-new-york-redlining-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/business/dealbook/evans-b... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-consumer-financial-protection-bureau-reach-settlement-hudson-city https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-consum... Those are just a few examples that happen to be linked on Wikipedia. > Do you think this lady on the mountain is just going to turn down money because the renter is Asian? Yes, because that's what she said. I do my best to take people at their word unless there's a good reason not to. > I'm just saying it's not the norm. We could argue about what "norm" means, but at the very least, it's common. It's not just isolated incidents of crazy people doing crazy things. I'm sorry but I didn't really follow the rest of your comment. As far as I can tell there's no culture clash or unwritten rules at issue in this story.