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PS VR effect.

by throwitlong 9y ago

PS VR effect.

striking 9y ago
And the "Vive is winning" effect... Is there anyone who prefers Oculus' IR over Vive's LIDAR?
- ajsalminen 9y ago
  Neither Vive nor Rift have been selling very well recently if the Steam Survey is any indication. PSVR numbers are better but I don't think they're that impressive either.
  - superplussed 9y ago
    The amazing thing to me is that my 10 and 8 year old nephews have a PSVR, and Xbox, and an iPad, and all they want to do is play the iPad. They use the Xbox sometimes, and the PSVR collects dust. It seems nowadays low friction is the killer feature.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      You're basically describing casual gaming (etc.) vs. hardcore/immersive gaming. With tablets and smartphones, casual gaming is clearly winning as a percentage of users.
    - ashark 9y ago
      Kids aren't the only ones. Most of us in the wealthy West now have so many entertainment options that we ignore even many of the ones we've already paid for, or are continuing to pay for. Half the time I forget I have Prime Video at all, and I've temporarily got Showtime for Twin Peaks but despite knowing there are probably tons of other shows and movies on it (and not on Netflix/Prime) that I'd enjoy I've not even looked at the rest of their catalog aside from ~5min scanning through it when I first signed up. I have a total of probably 60+ entirely unplayed games for the PS2, PS3, Xbox360, Gamecube, and Wii, picked up cheap used or in digital PS+ freebies or sales but not touched since. Hundreds of hours of entertainment which I'd probably enjoy and many of which have at least some artistic merit but they sit unused. We recently picked up a PS4, so now games are accumulating for that too. Don't get me started on Steam/GoG. My to-read list of just books I own is solidly in the 3 digits. We've still got a couple DVDs kicking around that we bought over a decade ago for next to nothing used, never watched. I've never found time to catch up on all the music I pirated 10+ years ago, sometimes in large dumps of material from friends who were more into tracking down The Good Stuff than I was (keeping up with all that meta-reading to learn what's worth your time itself takes tons of time) let alone listen to much new music aside from a handful of CDs purchased and listened-to after live shows over the years. Spotify and such can go to hell, I don't got time and the last thing I need is another way to find things I like but won't have time to pursue. I end up seeing a more-or-less random 25-50% of the movies that are probably excellent and I'd likely really enjoy that come out every year. There are hundreds of culturally and artistically important movies from the last 100+ years still on my to-watch list, but the ones I miss each year keep making the list longer rather than shorter. Most are easily available. Some of them I could go watch right now (Netflix, et c.) I'm still meaning to read Sandman and a dozen other acclaimed, important comics, to say nothing of all the ones I'd probably enjoy as pure bubble-gum entertainment. I've barely scratched the surface on that entire format. Plus I've got all that stuff in life that's not just "consuming" media. I've truly got more excellent art/entertainment readily available than I have time for, by a large margin. We live in strange times. [EDIT] Oh, and let's not forget the ~a billion hours of free entertainment on Youtube, podcasts, archive.org, and so on, much of it good. I'm not much into that stuff because wow do I ever not have time to sort wheat from chaff let alone enjoy said wheat, but it's all right there and I could seek it out any time I please.
      - ghaff 9y ago
        In that vein, I read a piece recently. The gist was that, if you launch a TV show today that takes a season or so to get its footing and figure out how to tell its story, you're increasingly not going to make it. Of course, lots of shows have always been canceled early on. But, at least speaking for myself, today there are so many good to great shows that I don't have time to watch that if you don't grab me in an episode or two I'm tuning out.
  - tgb 9y ago
    How can you tell that from the Steam Survey? [1] All I see is market share among people who own VR headsets without mention of how many own headsets at all. [1] http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
  - eregorn 9y ago
    seems about right from an article I found (1). I guess the rift might actually be in specific trouble though if it has a market share similar to a no-name cardboard rip off. (1) http://www.businessinsider.com/vr-headsets-comparison-popularity-price-features-details-2017-6/#samsung-gear-vr-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/vr-headsets-comparison-popula...

PS VR effect.

striking 9y ago

And the "Vive is winning" effect... Is there anyone who prefers Oculus' IR over Vive's LIDAR?

ajsalminen 9y ago
Neither Vive nor Rift have been selling very well recently if the Steam Survey is any indication. PSVR numbers are better but I don't think they're that impressive either.
- superplussed 9y ago
  The amazing thing to me is that my 10 and 8 year old nephews have a PSVR, and Xbox, and an iPad, and all they want to do is play the iPad. They use the Xbox sometimes, and the PSVR collects dust. It seems nowadays low friction is the killer feature.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    You're basically describing casual gaming (etc.) vs. hardcore/immersive gaming. With tablets and smartphones, casual gaming is clearly winning as a percentage of users.
  - ashark 9y ago
    Kids aren't the only ones. Most of us in the wealthy West now have so many entertainment options that we ignore even many of the ones we've already paid for, or are continuing to pay for. Half the time I forget I have Prime Video at all, and I've temporarily got Showtime for Twin Peaks but despite knowing there are probably tons of other shows and movies on it (and not on Netflix/Prime) that I'd enjoy I've not even looked at the rest of their catalog aside from ~5min scanning through it when I first signed up. I have a total of probably 60+ entirely unplayed games for the PS2, PS3, Xbox360, Gamecube, and Wii, picked up cheap used or in digital PS+ freebies or sales but not touched since. Hundreds of hours of entertainment which I'd probably enjoy and many of which have at least some artistic merit but they sit unused. We recently picked up a PS4, so now games are accumulating for that too. Don't get me started on Steam/GoG. My to-read list of just books I own is solidly in the 3 digits. We've still got a couple DVDs kicking around that we bought over a decade ago for next to nothing used, never watched. I've never found time to catch up on all the music I pirated 10+ years ago, sometimes in large dumps of material from friends who were more into tracking down The Good Stuff than I was (keeping up with all that meta-reading to learn what's worth your time itself takes tons of time) let alone listen to much new music aside from a handful of CDs purchased and listened-to after live shows over the years. Spotify and such can go to hell, I don't got time and the last thing I need is another way to find things I like but won't have time to pursue. I end up seeing a more-or-less random 25-50% of the movies that are probably excellent and I'd likely really enjoy that come out every year. There are hundreds of culturally and artistically important movies from the last 100+ years still on my to-watch list, but the ones I miss each year keep making the list longer rather than shorter. Most are easily available. Some of them I could go watch right now (Netflix, et c.) I'm still meaning to read Sandman and a dozen other acclaimed, important comics, to say nothing of all the ones I'd probably enjoy as pure bubble-gum entertainment. I've barely scratched the surface on that entire format. Plus I've got all that stuff in life that's not just "consuming" media. I've truly got more excellent art/entertainment readily available than I have time for, by a large margin. We live in strange times. [EDIT] Oh, and let's not forget the ~a billion hours of free entertainment on Youtube, podcasts, archive.org, and so on, much of it good. I'm not much into that stuff because wow do I ever not have time to sort wheat from chaff let alone enjoy said wheat, but it's all right there and I could seek it out any time I please.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      In that vein, I read a piece recently. The gist was that, if you launch a TV show today that takes a season or so to get its footing and figure out how to tell its story, you're increasingly not going to make it. Of course, lots of shows have always been canceled early on. But, at least speaking for myself, today there are so many good to great shows that I don't have time to watch that if you don't grab me in an episode or two I'm tuning out.
- tgb 9y ago
  How can you tell that from the Steam Survey? [1] All I see is market share among people who own VR headsets without mention of how many own headsets at all. [1] http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
- eregorn 9y ago
  seems about right from an article I found (1). I guess the rift might actually be in specific trouble though if it has a market share similar to a no-name cardboard rip off. (1) http://www.businessinsider.com/vr-headsets-comparison-popularity-price-features-details-2017-6/#samsung-gear-vr-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/vr-headsets-comparison-popula...