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I ate a burger for lunch, was it selfish and immoral? I'm pretty sure some other guy would've liked that burger, too

francisofascii 9y ago
Let's say you ate two burgers, when you could have easily gotten by with just one. Or even worse, you threw the 2nd burger in trash. You only took it just in case. The guy behind you was left with none.
- Moshe_Silnorin 9y ago
  No. It's more like you took a burger that someone else owned and prevented him from doing what he wants with it. It is an encroachment on the rights of others.
  - carapace 9y ago
    It's more like you prevented a lactose-intolerant person from drinking a bunch of milk because you're both in the same unventilated room and you can't leave or open a window and you really don't want to smell their farts. "NIMBY"
    - mcguire 9y ago
      Dijkstra may have been right about the lack of rigour to reasoning-by-analogy, but damn, it is entertaining.
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      - carapace 9y ago
        Cheers, I was pretty proud of that one. The thing is I see both sides: I am in favor of private property, and I don't like the idea of e.g. home owners' associations that try to limit what color you can paint your own house. But I also grew up in San Francisco, and I really do not think this city will be more livable with ~100,000 or more people trying to live here. But then how do we decide who does get to live here? And who gets to build what? It's not easy, but standing around yelling "You NIMBY!" at your neighbors isn't productive. My mother lives in a rent-controller home in SF. In effect, her landlord is donating ~$1500 to her every month (comparing what she pays with what a new tenant could expect to pay.) On the same token, does ownership of a building really confer on you the right to make as much money as you can, or are you just the temporary steward of a physical artifact the primary purpose of which is to provide a good life for its residents and the neighborhood? What is the purpose of real estate? What is the purpose of a city?
carapace 9y ago
Yes, actually. I'm pretty sure the cow would have liked to keep that burger. (also, the ecological "footprint" of that burger compared to a salad or veggie-burger or something blah blah yadda-yadda...)

Let's say you ate two burgers, when you could have easily gotten by with just one. Or even worse, you threw the 2nd burger in trash. You only took it just in case. The guy behind you was left with none.

Moshe_Silnorin 9y ago
No. It's more like you took a burger that someone else owned and prevented him from doing what he wants with it. It is an encroachment on the rights of others.
- carapace 9y ago
  It's more like you prevented a lactose-intolerant person from drinking a bunch of milk because you're both in the same unventilated room and you can't leave or open a window and you really don't want to smell their farts. "NIMBY"
  - mcguire 9y ago
    Dijkstra may have been right about the lack of rigour to reasoning-by-analogy, but damn, it is entertaining.
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    - carapace 9y ago
      Cheers, I was pretty proud of that one. The thing is I see both sides: I am in favor of private property, and I don't like the idea of e.g. home owners' associations that try to limit what color you can paint your own house. But I also grew up in San Francisco, and I really do not think this city will be more livable with ~100,000 or more people trying to live here. But then how do we decide who does get to live here? And who gets to build what? It's not easy, but standing around yelling "You NIMBY!" at your neighbors isn't productive. My mother lives in a rent-controller home in SF. In effect, her landlord is donating ~$1500 to her every month (comparing what she pays with what a new tenant could expect to pay.) On the same token, does ownership of a building really confer on you the right to make as much money as you can, or are you just the temporary steward of a physical artifact the primary purpose of which is to provide a good life for its residents and the neighborhood? What is the purpose of real estate? What is the purpose of a city?

carapace 9y ago

Yes, actually. I'm pretty sure the cow would have liked to keep that burger. (also, the ecological "footprint" of that burger compared to a salad or veggie-burger or something blah blah yadda-yadda...)