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Please add a Java based web development option (ideally with JSF), I'd join in a heartbeat. The web dev is too javascript / front-end centric, and the CS (I'd

Please add a Java based web development option (ideally with JSF), I'd join in a heartbeat. The web dev is too javascript / front-end centric, and the CS (I'd assume) is too math-centric. Java / JSF / MyFaces is the best of both worlds, imo. No need to write most front-end javascript, 80% of dev time can be spent on business logic.

austenallred 9y ago
The CS Academy does teach Java. It's our main tool for understanding a lot of the lower-level stuff such as architecture, scaling, etc. We use JavaScript as the front-end web language, for reasons that are likely obvious (as well as React/Redux), and also use JS learn a lot of the data structures/algorithms portion, but Java is our main compiled language.
- Danihan 9y ago
  Does it cover JSF?
  - austenallred 9y ago
    No. We use JavaScript for front-end stuff as that's the native language of the browser. We'll also use a little bit of Spring, so JSF isn't far away, but I wouldn't go into looking for a school that teaches exactly one (relatively small) framework. Look for the fundamental principles and worry about frameworks later.
    - Danihan 9y ago
      Fair enough, and I'm no expert, but isn't JSF 2 a formalized / built-in standard, rather than a relatively small framework? I thought most of what made Spring useful and popular was blown away by JSF 2.
      - austenallred 9y ago
        Yeah, it's formally a part of the Java platform, and it's widely used, but I'd recommend becoming adept at using several different kinds of frameworks before I single one out. JSF, like all frameworks, will have advantages and disadvantages, and I'm sure there are Spring vs JSF holy wars, but the best advice someone can give a budding programmer is do not get caught up in that until you actually understand the underlying principles.
      - michaelper22 9y ago
        Spring and JSF are to some extent mutually exclusive. I worked on a project that used JSF views with Spring EL that called Spring beans. However, the best practice, according to BalusC on StackOverflow, is to avoid mixing Spring components and JSF managed beans (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18387993/spring-jsf-integration-how-to-inject-a-spring-component-service-in-jsf-managed https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18387993/spring-jsf-inte...).
        Danihan 9y ago
        Exactly my point. Why are bootcamps teaching Spring, when JSF 2 is built-in and does it all better? Or at the very least should be assumed to be the future.
s73ver 9y ago
Aren't most bootcamp grads being hired for frontend roles?
- austenallred 9y ago
  Depends. We're not really a bootcamp, most of our grads are hired for full-stack roles
- Danihan 9y ago
  And this is exactly the issue with most of them. There are a million resources online to learn javascript, that isn't challenging. I want a solid DBA / backend developer bootcamp.

austenallred 9y ago

The CS Academy does teach Java. It's our main tool for understanding a lot of the lower-level stuff such as architecture, scaling, etc. We use JavaScript as the front-end web language, for reasons that are likely obvious (as well as React/Redux), and also use JS learn a lot of the data structures/algorithms portion, but Java is our main compiled language.

Danihan 9y ago
Does it cover JSF?
- austenallred 9y ago
  No. We use JavaScript for front-end stuff as that's the native language of the browser. We'll also use a little bit of Spring, so JSF isn't far away, but I wouldn't go into looking for a school that teaches exactly one (relatively small) framework. Look for the fundamental principles and worry about frameworks later.
  - Danihan 9y ago
    Fair enough, and I'm no expert, but isn't JSF 2 a formalized / built-in standard, rather than a relatively small framework? I thought most of what made Spring useful and popular was blown away by JSF 2.
    - austenallred 9y ago
      Yeah, it's formally a part of the Java platform, and it's widely used, but I'd recommend becoming adept at using several different kinds of frameworks before I single one out. JSF, like all frameworks, will have advantages and disadvantages, and I'm sure there are Spring vs JSF holy wars, but the best advice someone can give a budding programmer is do not get caught up in that until you actually understand the underlying principles.
    - michaelper22 9y ago
      Spring and JSF are to some extent mutually exclusive. I worked on a project that used JSF views with Spring EL that called Spring beans. However, the best practice, according to BalusC on StackOverflow, is to avoid mixing Spring components and JSF managed beans (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18387993/spring-jsf-integration-how-to-inject-a-spring-component-service-in-jsf-managed https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18387993/spring-jsf-inte...).
      - Danihan 9y ago
        Exactly my point. Why are bootcamps teaching Spring, when JSF 2 is built-in and does it all better? Or at the very least should be assumed to be the future.

s73ver 9y ago

Aren't most bootcamp grads being hired for frontend roles?

austenallred 9y ago
Depends. We're not really a bootcamp, most of our grads are hired for full-stack roles
Danihan 9y ago
And this is exactly the issue with most of them. There are a million resources online to learn javascript, that isn't challenging. I want a solid DBA / backend developer bootcamp.