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Your observation is correct. As an ethnic Chinese I'm sorry and apologize for that. Many Chinese and government know that's true. As result, all Chinese mobile

by jjcc 9y ago

Your observation is correct. As an ethnic Chinese I'm sorry and apologize for that. Many Chinese and government know that's true. As result, all Chinese mobile phone users will receive a text message from Chinese embassies when they are landed to foreign countries even inside airplane (at least US and Canada ) reminding them(mobile phone carrier) to respect local custom and culture, especially don't speak aloud in public areas. There are many reasons for that. A obvious one is quick economic growth makes many less educated normal people can afford previously luxury tourism. But there are more profound reasons. Unfortunately, researches and studies of personality statistics of vary large group of people(for example, behavior of an ethnic group) are very difficult and most importantly: they are politically incorrect, considered harmful and forbidden, as well as the conclusions will not be accepted by public. So most people on the earth don't know the real reasons behind that but only have fake explanations that modern human mind can accept. BTW off the topic. with same understanding, I predicted early in 2003 that Bush's goal of Iraq war would fail FOR SURE by observation of similarity of statistical (i.e. population) mindsets between middle east people and Chinese people. The good news is things are changing slowly towards the good direction. The habit and behavior of Chinese people, especially young generation and educated people are more and more closer to that of Japanese, Hongkonger, Taiwan people. But it will take long long time, maybe generations.

amirmc 9y ago
> Unfortunately, researches and studies of personality statistics of vary large group of people(for example, behavior of an ethnic group) are very difficult and most importantly: they are politically incorrect, considered harmful and forbidden, as well as the conclusions will not be accepted by public. Do you mean politically incorrect in China? Otherwise, I'd just call this kind of study Anthropology (of some form).
- mistermann 9y ago
  In my experience, most Westerners (well, moreso under the age of 40) seem to believe there is literally no such thing as culture, almost as if it is a completely imaginary concept.
  - mmmpop 9y ago
    What's your experience that gives you such an impression?
    - culture1234 9y ago
      Because, if we acknowledge that more than one culture exists, then we will attempt to compare them. However, as everyone knows, all peoples are equal in all ways - any other conclusion is literally fascist and deserving of public shaming. Thus there is no culture because there are no differences.
      - mmmpop 9y ago
        Wait, so as an American I read reports of schools in France and how they feed the children better, more nutritious food all while teaching them some table manners. My appreciation of this "better" culture of food and dining makes me a fascist? You're making some really sweeping and baseless assertions.
        culture1234 9y ago
        Halt, fascist! You require reeducation. Of course my comment is making sweeping and baseless assumptions. It is my attempt to sarcastically express the zeitgeist.
        mmmpop 9y ago
        Consider me fooled! Poe's Law strikes again...
        mistermann 9y ago
        Not quite, there's some complexity involved here that was left out. For starters, it is only Westerners, and predominantly younger people, who believe such obviously silly things. Secondly, it is possible for Western cultures to be objectively worse, but(!) this in no means implies that there are differences in cultures. If that seems illogical to you, it means you just need more reeducation. It can often be helpful to feel about it, rather than think about it, thinking can fill your head with all sorts of crazy ideas.
mistermann 9y ago
> but only have fake explanations that modern human mind can accept Thank you for this, it's nice to see some people still have the ability to think beyond propaganda.
popopobobobo 9y ago
Why does Chinese sounds so New Yorker to me?
Taylor_OD 9y ago
"There are many reasons for that. A obvious one is quick economic growth makes many less educated normal people can afford previously luxury tourism." I always assumed it came down to exactly this. Give people money who have never had money before and there are going to be some social growing pains but eventually everything will normalize.
- mistermann 9y ago
  Then how does one explain the USA and Japan (just as two examples out of many) - both wealthy countries with very distinct cultures?
  - JBReefer 9y ago
    Japanese tourists are amazing. I once saw a 20-something couple silently watch a beautiful peacock stroll through the grounds of St. John the Divine, for an HOUR. I was walking around and enjoying the space, but those two seemed to have found some sort of peace with the place that locals will never have. The nodded to me when they left and cleaned up their picnic perfectly. You don't see many Japanese tourists anymore and (completely uniquely) that's a shame.
- armenarmen 9y ago
  Yep. This is where the hilariously negative though accurate stereotypes of my people (Armenians) come from. Take people fresh out of 80 years of communism, bring them to America and they go a little to hard on the old consumer culture and bathing in cologne
prawn 9y ago
I first visited China over 25 years ago and the domestic Chinese tourist groups then were a bit painful. As that middle class has grown and they've been able to travel internationally, that fun has spread. Yes, they're pretty obnoxious, but it's more ignorance than intentional. Certainly not so painful that I'd avoid visiting China though. Younger Chinese travelling as couples or small groups are much more polite. As you said, within a generation or two, I think the reputation as travellers will improve.
anonicasjuly 9y ago
Why do you feel the need to apologize? This guy is basically saying because of the actions of some Chinese tourists, he's going to stereotype an entire culture of people and you're the one apologizing?

by jjcc 9y ago

amirmc 9y ago

> Unfortunately, researches and studies of personality statistics of vary large group of people(for example, behavior of an ethnic group) are very difficult and most importantly: they are politically incorrect, considered harmful and forbidden, as well as the conclusions will not be accepted by public. Do you mean politically incorrect in China? Otherwise, I'd just call this kind of study Anthropology (of some form).

mistermann 9y ago
In my experience, most Westerners (well, moreso under the age of 40) seem to believe there is literally no such thing as culture, almost as if it is a completely imaginary concept.
- mmmpop 9y ago
  What's your experience that gives you such an impression?
  - culture1234 9y ago
    Because, if we acknowledge that more than one culture exists, then we will attempt to compare them. However, as everyone knows, all peoples are equal in all ways - any other conclusion is literally fascist and deserving of public shaming. Thus there is no culture because there are no differences.
    - mmmpop 9y ago
      Wait, so as an American I read reports of schools in France and how they feed the children better, more nutritious food all while teaching them some table manners. My appreciation of this "better" culture of food and dining makes me a fascist? You're making some really sweeping and baseless assertions.
      - culture1234 9y ago
        Halt, fascist! You require reeducation. Of course my comment is making sweeping and baseless assumptions. It is my attempt to sarcastically express the zeitgeist.
        mmmpop 9y ago
        Consider me fooled! Poe's Law strikes again...
      - mistermann 9y ago
        Not quite, there's some complexity involved here that was left out. For starters, it is only Westerners, and predominantly younger people, who believe such obviously silly things. Secondly, it is possible for Western cultures to be objectively worse, but(!) this in no means implies that there are differences in cultures. If that seems illogical to you, it means you just need more reeducation. It can often be helpful to feel about it, rather than think about it, thinking can fill your head with all sorts of crazy ideas.

mistermann 9y ago

> but only have fake explanations that modern human mind can accept Thank you for this, it's nice to see some people still have the ability to think beyond propaganda.

popopobobobo 9y ago

Why does Chinese sounds so New Yorker to me?

Taylor_OD 9y ago

"There are many reasons for that. A obvious one is quick economic growth makes many less educated normal people can afford previously luxury tourism." I always assumed it came down to exactly this. Give people money who have never had money before and there are going to be some social growing pains but eventually everything will normalize.

mistermann 9y ago
Then how does one explain the USA and Japan (just as two examples out of many) - both wealthy countries with very distinct cultures?
- JBReefer 9y ago
  Japanese tourists are amazing. I once saw a 20-something couple silently watch a beautiful peacock stroll through the grounds of St. John the Divine, for an HOUR. I was walking around and enjoying the space, but those two seemed to have found some sort of peace with the place that locals will never have. The nodded to me when they left and cleaned up their picnic perfectly. You don't see many Japanese tourists anymore and (completely uniquely) that's a shame.
armenarmen 9y ago
Yep. This is where the hilariously negative though accurate stereotypes of my people (Armenians) come from. Take people fresh out of 80 years of communism, bring them to America and they go a little to hard on the old consumer culture and bathing in cologne

prawn 9y ago

I first visited China over 25 years ago and the domestic Chinese tourist groups then were a bit painful. As that middle class has grown and they've been able to travel internationally, that fun has spread. Yes, they're pretty obnoxious, but it's more ignorance than intentional. Certainly not so painful that I'd avoid visiting China though. Younger Chinese travelling as couples or small groups are much more polite. As you said, within a generation or two, I think the reputation as travellers will improve.

anonicasjuly 9y ago

Why do you feel the need to apologize? This guy is basically saying because of the actions of some Chinese tourists, he's going to stereotype an entire culture of people and you're the one apologizing?