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University of Waterloo Systems Design Engineering 2017 Class Profile

120 points by joeyloi 9y ago

j7ake 9y ago
What fraction of jobs are programming jobs versus non programming jobs for this class of systems design ?
- pkaye 9y ago
  The more detailed report in pdf menions 70% of men and 38% of women are into software.
adamnemecek 9y ago
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- deleted 9y ago
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- apetresc 9y ago
  It's not the school that's gathering and releasing these statistics, it's just a graduating student. It's not hard to imagine why he'd be interested in it.
- VicVee 9y ago
  This is just one student doing this in this one class out of the entire school of 36k+ students.
zerr 9y ago
I was hoping for some lecture notes/videos. EDIT: Gee, downvotes.. instead of lecture video links... too many reddit users came to HN apparently.
- mfoy_ 9y ago
  I'd assume the down votes are because you're asking for something neither the title nor the article imply would be provided... Imagine if the article was "Facebook staff survey results" and someone commented: "I was hoping for a list of upcoming features."
- sctb 9y ago
  Please don't violate the guidelines by complaining about downvotes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
drpgq 9y ago
I sometimes wonder if Canada's tech industry would be more ahead if there was no TN visa.
- stygiansonic 9y ago
  Perhaps the ease of working in the US tech industry (via the TN visa) is, in some part, responsible for driving talent towards these university programs?
  - randomdata 9y ago
    This seems most likely. Canada has a very strong connection with labour, which is especially visible when looking at the differing attitudes around unionization[1]. The social norms dictate that you go to school and then get a good job working for someone else. As a result, high achievers do not normally strive to be entrepreneurs. If there wasn't a bustling tech industry in the US for these people to go to, I expect they would end up aiming to work in established Canadian industries, not setting out to build a tech industry like the US has. [1] https://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_unionization_usa_canada.jpg https://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_unionization_usa_cana...
- twblalock 9y ago
  Workers in the industry are significantly underpaid relative to the US. With no easy way to work in the US, I suspect fewer Canadians would choose to study computer science. For example, from Google just now, the average software engineering salary in Vancouver BC is about $73k CAD (about $57k USD), and the average software engineering salary in Seattle is about $96k USD. That's about a 68% increase over the Canadian salary, and the cost of living is similar in both cities. Incidentally, my company has had a number of Waterloo interns over the years and they have all been excellent. Many of them have moved back to the US after graduating.
  - xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
    Relative to other prograns, computer science graduates still probably come out near the top in terms of job opportunities and income, even if they're underpaid relative to the US.
VicVee 9y ago
36% cheated huh. Administration is going to love seeing that one released.
- titanomachy 9y ago
  Looks like they took that line out...? EDIT: never mind, it was in the PDF
root-z 9y ago
"Water! Water! Water! Loo! Loo! Loo!" I need to use the loo every time I remember this.
plg 9y ago
What about straight male vs female in the class? I don't see that graph. In the 1980s I was accepted into Computer Engineering at Waterloo (undergrad coop program) but decided against it, partly, because at that time it was like 90% male 10% female, and that mattered to me. I wonder what it is now?
- relyio 9y ago
  It's worse
  - VicVee 9y ago
    For syde its typically 40/60
- josephbiden 9y ago
  I think somewhere in the PDF they said it's like 70/30
  - relyio 9y ago
    This is for System Design engineering, OP is asking for CompEng
- christinamltn 9y ago
  For 1st year enrollment, CompEng is currently around 16% female. SyDe is 46%. Engineering overall 30%. https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/about/faculty-engineering-statistics https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/about/faculty-engineering-s...

120 points by joeyloi 9y ago

j7ake 9y ago

What fraction of jobs are programming jobs versus non programming jobs for this class of systems design ?

pkaye 9y ago
The more detailed report in pdf menions 70% of men and 38% of women are into software.

adamnemecek 9y ago

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deleted 9y ago
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apetresc 9y ago
It's not the school that's gathering and releasing these statistics, it's just a graduating student. It's not hard to imagine why he'd be interested in it.
VicVee 9y ago
This is just one student doing this in this one class out of the entire school of 36k+ students.

zerr 9y ago

I was hoping for some lecture notes/videos. EDIT: Gee, downvotes.. instead of lecture video links... too many reddit users came to HN apparently.

mfoy_ 9y ago
I'd assume the down votes are because you're asking for something neither the title nor the article imply would be provided... Imagine if the article was "Facebook staff survey results" and someone commented: "I was hoping for a list of upcoming features."
sctb 9y ago
Please don't violate the guidelines by complaining about downvotes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

drpgq 9y ago

I sometimes wonder if Canada's tech industry would be more ahead if there was no TN visa.

stygiansonic 9y ago
Perhaps the ease of working in the US tech industry (via the TN visa) is, in some part, responsible for driving talent towards these university programs?
- randomdata 9y ago
  This seems most likely. Canada has a very strong connection with labour, which is especially visible when looking at the differing attitudes around unionization[1]. The social norms dictate that you go to school and then get a good job working for someone else. As a result, high achievers do not normally strive to be entrepreneurs. If there wasn't a bustling tech industry in the US for these people to go to, I expect they would end up aiming to work in established Canadian industries, not setting out to build a tech industry like the US has. [1] https://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_unionization_usa_canada.jpg https://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_unionization_usa_cana...
twblalock 9y ago
Workers in the industry are significantly underpaid relative to the US. With no easy way to work in the US, I suspect fewer Canadians would choose to study computer science. For example, from Google just now, the average software engineering salary in Vancouver BC is about $73k CAD (about $57k USD), and the average software engineering salary in Seattle is about $96k USD. That's about a 68% increase over the Canadian salary, and the cost of living is similar in both cities. Incidentally, my company has had a number of Waterloo interns over the years and they have all been excellent. Many of them have moved back to the US after graduating.
- xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
  Relative to other prograns, computer science graduates still probably come out near the top in terms of job opportunities and income, even if they're underpaid relative to the US.

VicVee 9y ago

36% cheated huh. Administration is going to love seeing that one released.

titanomachy 9y ago
Looks like they took that line out...? EDIT: never mind, it was in the PDF

root-z 9y ago

"Water! Water! Water! Loo! Loo! Loo!" I need to use the loo every time I remember this.

plg 9y ago

What about straight male vs female in the class? I don't see that graph. In the 1980s I was accepted into Computer Engineering at Waterloo (undergrad coop program) but decided against it, partly, because at that time it was like 90% male 10% female, and that mattered to me. I wonder what it is now?

relyio 9y ago
It's worse
- VicVee 9y ago
  For syde its typically 40/60
josephbiden 9y ago
I think somewhere in the PDF they said it's like 70/30
- relyio 9y ago
  This is for System Design engineering, OP is asking for CompEng
christinamltn 9y ago
For 1st year enrollment, CompEng is currently around 16% female. SyDe is 46%. Engineering overall 30%. https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/about/faculty-engineering-statistics https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/about/faculty-engineering-s...