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> It's not a better alternative, because it makes DRM too easily accessible As anti-DRM as I am, what you're basically saying is that DRM which is essentially

> It's not a better alternative, because it makes DRM too easily accessible As anti-DRM as I am, what you're basically saying is that DRM which is essentially encryption used with some sort of e-commerce system should be difficult and obtuse, so as to discourage it's use, while at least implying (and I'm betting you are) that you'd be pro-encryption on the user's side for security and privacy. You have the right to privacy and to use encryption to enforce that privacy, but so do content creators have the right to lock you out until you're willing to pay money, watch ads, or whatever system they have in mind. You aren't entitled to content any more than Doubleclick is entitled to your browsing history.

ginko 9y ago
> DRM which is essentially encryption used with some sort of e-commerce system I'd say this is incorrect. At it's core DRM requires a locked-down system, either on the hardware or software level, but always closed source, to hide operations from the owner of the device. Encryption is a big part of this but technically doesn't need to be. I agree that content creators have the right to stop me from consuming their content if I don't pay money, watch ads or whatever, but they don't have the right to require me to install unknown software or hardware on my computer.
- FussyZeus 9y ago
  > but they don't have the right to require me to install unknown software or hardware on my computer. Yes and that's why they're adding DRM support to HTML5, so you don't need to and the browser you're using can act as the endpoint allowing access to the content. Now you don't need to install Flash or ick Silverlight to do so. More to the point though, they absolutely do. A content creator can set any kind of wacky requirements for you to consume their content that they see fit; and it's your decision as a content consumer to decide if you're going to jump through whatever hoops of fire to do so. You, and no one else aside from the creator (or more likely, distributor) has a right to say what is a reasonable expectation and what is an unreasonable expectation. I would however add that recently there has been a push to "Steamify" many content delivery systems to remove the friction typically associated with DRM and to make consuming DRM-enabled content more seamless. I think content distributors are slowly waking up to the fact that they cannot stop the Piracy end of things, so the solution is to do what Steam did for video games: make Piracy less attractive by making legal ownership better value for money, and less effort.
  - ginko 9y ago
    >Yes and that's why they're adding DRM support to HTML5, so you don't need to and the browser you're using can act as the endpoint allowing access to the content. This still means you'll need a specific browser. Open-source browsers will likely not work anymore.
    - FussyZeus 9y ago
      Then don't use open source browsers, or don't consume the content.
    - lordlimecat 9y ago
      If Firefox and Chromium don't work with EME I will go buy a a hat, and eat it. I'd hazard the folks who truly get locked out, users of more ideological browsers on more fringe linux distros, already were not using flash or silverlight, because those already required a proprietary blob of code. And frankly they're probably not interested in content that is locked down.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        Firefox and Chromium already don’t work with EME unless you install a proprietary addon.
  - syshum 9y ago
    >>Now you don't need to install Flash or ick Silverlight to do so. I dont think you understand how EME work You still need to have a CDM, which is functionally the exact same as a flash plugin, the CDM's are not part of the standard, Adobe, MS and Google are the only providers of the CDM's so every browser not made by those 3 have to go begging for permission to include the binary non-open blob in their browser if they want to use EME for media
    - FussyZeus 9y ago
      It's irrelevant. The rights holders and/or distributors have every right to demand certain conditions for you to view their IP. Information isn't free unless the holder says it is, end of story, and if they demand you have to read it while standing on your head, you have every right to choose not to do so, but you can't then circumvent their requirements because you disagree with how their implemented and claim to be on the right side.

ginko 9y ago

> DRM which is essentially encryption used with some sort of e-commerce system I'd say this is incorrect. At it's core DRM requires a locked-down system, either on the hardware or software level, but always closed source, to hide operations from the owner of the device. Encryption is a big part of this but technically doesn't need to be. I agree that content creators have the right to stop me from consuming their content if I don't pay money, watch ads or whatever, but they don't have the right to require me to install unknown software or hardware on my computer.

FussyZeus 9y ago
> but they don't have the right to require me to install unknown software or hardware on my computer. Yes and that's why they're adding DRM support to HTML5, so you don't need to and the browser you're using can act as the endpoint allowing access to the content. Now you don't need to install Flash or ick Silverlight to do so. More to the point though, they absolutely do. A content creator can set any kind of wacky requirements for you to consume their content that they see fit; and it's your decision as a content consumer to decide if you're going to jump through whatever hoops of fire to do so. You, and no one else aside from the creator (or more likely, distributor) has a right to say what is a reasonable expectation and what is an unreasonable expectation. I would however add that recently there has been a push to "Steamify" many content delivery systems to remove the friction typically associated with DRM and to make consuming DRM-enabled content more seamless. I think content distributors are slowly waking up to the fact that they cannot stop the Piracy end of things, so the solution is to do what Steam did for video games: make Piracy less attractive by making legal ownership better value for money, and less effort.
- ginko 9y ago
  >Yes and that's why they're adding DRM support to HTML5, so you don't need to and the browser you're using can act as the endpoint allowing access to the content. This still means you'll need a specific browser. Open-source browsers will likely not work anymore.
  - FussyZeus 9y ago
    Then don't use open source browsers, or don't consume the content.
  - lordlimecat 9y ago
    If Firefox and Chromium don't work with EME I will go buy a a hat, and eat it. I'd hazard the folks who truly get locked out, users of more ideological browsers on more fringe linux distros, already were not using flash or silverlight, because those already required a proprietary blob of code. And frankly they're probably not interested in content that is locked down.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      Firefox and Chromium already don’t work with EME unless you install a proprietary addon.
- syshum 9y ago
  >>Now you don't need to install Flash or ick Silverlight to do so. I dont think you understand how EME work You still need to have a CDM, which is functionally the exact same as a flash plugin, the CDM's are not part of the standard, Adobe, MS and Google are the only providers of the CDM's so every browser not made by those 3 have to go begging for permission to include the binary non-open blob in their browser if they want to use EME for media
  - FussyZeus 9y ago
    It's irrelevant. The rights holders and/or distributors have every right to demand certain conditions for you to view their IP. Information isn't free unless the holder says it is, end of story, and if they demand you have to read it while standing on your head, you have every right to choose not to do so, but you can't then circumvent their requirements because you disagree with how their implemented and claim to be on the right side.