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Tesla fanboy here. It's a little silly to say "Our car is level 3 autonomy, but only when it comes to market sometimes next year." By then Tesla could be level

Tesla fanboy here. It's a little silly to say "Our car is level 3 autonomy, but only when it comes to market sometimes next year." By then Tesla could be level 3 autonomy, as all that's required to achieve that is for Elon to push some software updates and voila, the car is now smarter than ever. Being capable of something in theory doesn't make it a practical statement, imo.

gamblor956 9y ago
Teslas do not have the required hardware to reach Level 3 autonomy unless they've been secretly including LIDAR in all of their vehicles.
- marvin 9y ago
  That remains to be seen; Google has demonstrated that level 3 can be achieved with lidar and cameras, but no one has proved that it can not be achieved with the non-lidar sensor suite that Tesla uses.
  - monk_e_boy 9y ago
    Exactly, without lidar no one knows if the software AI will take 1 year to create or 10 years.
- slewis 9y ago
  There are no specific hardware requirements for any of the levels of autonomy, that I'm aware of.
- crush-n-spread 9y ago
  Humans can drive perfectly fine with just two cameras and mirrors, I'm sure it's possible with Tesla's standard 8 cameras and neural net software.
  - pacaro 9y ago
    Humans can drive perfectly well with monocular vision. Plenty of people either only have one eye, or don't integrate 3D for some reason. The variance on human driving ability is higher than we would accept from a machine, but I have two friends who don't have stereoscopic vision, and I trust both of them to drive me
  - jakobegger 9y ago
    Human eyes are a lot more advanced than whatever cameras Tesla is mounting in their vehicles. (much better dynamic range, higher resolution, higher low light sensitivity, extremely precise movement detection for judging relative speeds, extremely fast and high precision targeting, etc)
legulere 9y ago
Tesla still needs to develop the software updates (if it's even possible with their hardware), while Audi already has the software.
hobofan 9y ago
> for Elon to push some software updates Not everything regarding Tesla is about Elon.
- monk_e_boy 9y ago
  Do you imagine Tesla will push out level 3 autonomy without Elon being involved in that decision?
  - hobofan 9y ago
    I did not say that, but the comment is a good display of the personal cult following behind Elon Musk jumping the shark (for lack of a better term). Sentences such as > all that's required to achieve that is for Elon to push some software updates and voila make the task seem (A) trivial and (B) like the decision is completely up to Elon. This hugely discounts the fact that when/if Tesla roles out level 3 autonomy, that this was the result of a huge amount of work put in by a big team inside the company. You also wouldn't hear "all that's required to achieve that is for Rupert (Stadler) to push some software updates and voila" about Audi, when both were probably equally responsible for putting the issue on the roadmap and equally not involved in the implementation.
skgoa 9y ago
Deliveries in Europe start in 3 months, which means that the software was finished many months ago.
edshiro 9y ago
Tesla's in-house Autopilot 2 has a lot of catching up to do with Autopilot 1, which was developed by MobilEye. I like their startup-ish approach which enables them to push software updates to all their cars and collect valuable data, but I feel most people do fundamentally not understand that their cars offer at best Level 2 autonomy. On a side note, if and when LIDAR becomes cheap enough, Tesla may change their mind and look at integrating it in their cars.
kirillzubovsky 9y ago
Got a ton on flame for this post. Probably should've avoided "Tesla fanboy" part. Lesson learned. But look, if you reference other articles, Audi can only do self-driving when: "In slow-moving traffic on divided highways at speeds of 37.3 mph and under only. " (TechCrunch). Tesla can already do that. It simply require the driver to keep hands on the steering because it also allows for all the other options, and Tesla doesn't want you to let go of the wheel and run over a human. Note that Audi isn not saying their car will do self-driving in the city, with pedestrians throwing themselves onto the road. NO, it will ONLY do it on highways, while in slow traffic. So Audi can only do self-driving when the car is barely in motion and the possibility of interference is close to zero. That's like calling yourself a University Professor because you wear a checkered jacket with elbow patches.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  You should check out the difference between Level 2 and Level 3 -- they're different.

gamblor956 9y ago

Teslas do not have the required hardware to reach Level 3 autonomy unless they've been secretly including LIDAR in all of their vehicles.

marvin 9y ago
That remains to be seen; Google has demonstrated that level 3 can be achieved with lidar and cameras, but no one has proved that it can not be achieved with the non-lidar sensor suite that Tesla uses.
- monk_e_boy 9y ago
  Exactly, without lidar no one knows if the software AI will take 1 year to create or 10 years.
slewis 9y ago
There are no specific hardware requirements for any of the levels of autonomy, that I'm aware of.
crush-n-spread 9y ago
Humans can drive perfectly fine with just two cameras and mirrors, I'm sure it's possible with Tesla's standard 8 cameras and neural net software.
- pacaro 9y ago
  Humans can drive perfectly well with monocular vision. Plenty of people either only have one eye, or don't integrate 3D for some reason. The variance on human driving ability is higher than we would accept from a machine, but I have two friends who don't have stereoscopic vision, and I trust both of them to drive me
- jakobegger 9y ago
  Human eyes are a lot more advanced than whatever cameras Tesla is mounting in their vehicles. (much better dynamic range, higher resolution, higher low light sensitivity, extremely precise movement detection for judging relative speeds, extremely fast and high precision targeting, etc)

legulere 9y ago

Tesla still needs to develop the software updates (if it's even possible with their hardware), while Audi already has the software.

hobofan 9y ago

> for Elon to push some software updates Not everything regarding Tesla is about Elon.

monk_e_boy 9y ago
Do you imagine Tesla will push out level 3 autonomy without Elon being involved in that decision?
- hobofan 9y ago
  I did not say that, but the comment is a good display of the personal cult following behind Elon Musk jumping the shark (for lack of a better term). Sentences such as > all that's required to achieve that is for Elon to push some software updates and voila make the task seem (A) trivial and (B) like the decision is completely up to Elon. This hugely discounts the fact that when/if Tesla roles out level 3 autonomy, that this was the result of a huge amount of work put in by a big team inside the company. You also wouldn't hear "all that's required to achieve that is for Rupert (Stadler) to push some software updates and voila" about Audi, when both were probably equally responsible for putting the issue on the roadmap and equally not involved in the implementation.

skgoa 9y ago

Deliveries in Europe start in 3 months, which means that the software was finished many months ago.

edshiro 9y ago

Tesla's in-house Autopilot 2 has a lot of catching up to do with Autopilot 1, which was developed by MobilEye. I like their startup-ish approach which enables them to push software updates to all their cars and collect valuable data, but I feel most people do fundamentally not understand that their cars offer at best Level 2 autonomy. On a side note, if and when LIDAR becomes cheap enough, Tesla may change their mind and look at integrating it in their cars.

kirillzubovsky 9y ago

Got a ton on flame for this post. Probably should've avoided "Tesla fanboy" part. Lesson learned. But look, if you reference other articles, Audi can only do self-driving when: "In slow-moving traffic on divided highways at speeds of 37.3 mph and under only. " (TechCrunch). Tesla can already do that. It simply require the driver to keep hands on the steering because it also allows for all the other options, and Tesla doesn't want you to let go of the wheel and run over a human. Note that Audi isn not saying their car will do self-driving in the city, with pedestrians throwing themselves onto the road. NO, it will ONLY do it on highways, while in slow traffic. So Audi can only do self-driving when the car is barely in motion and the possibility of interference is close to zero. That's like calling yourself a University Professor because you wear a checkered jacket with elbow patches.

greglindahl 9y ago
You should check out the difference between Level 2 and Level 3 -- they're different.