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I'm an outsider and there is a war every damn time the word Rust comes up on HN. I've yet to see bashing any language to that degree in Erlang threads, Python t

by _dcwr 9y ago

I'm an outsider and there is a war every damn time the word Rust comes up on HN. I've yet to see bashing any language to that degree in Erlang threads, Python threads, etc. Something has to be up with that. I'm not using C and C++ professionally at all so the only place Rust has to fit in is fun or potential long term professional opportunity (assuming Rust is a fair bit more widespread than now by then, otherwise C and C++ win in the native field for employment opportunities), I'll not have fun (and I won't learn anything I don't immediately need that won't bring me fun) in a sea of vitriol against anyone who doesn't hate C and C++ so I'm happy Rust community guidelines forbid such idiocy in official spaces and documentation. Rust is apparently targeting C and C++ devs but at the same time the ones that like it are going crazy and saying stuff about C and C++ being impossible languages (I agree they are by far the most spartan and hardest in the mainstream right now but not impossible as evidenced by lots of quite reliable software written in it, some that lives depend on).

AnimalMuppet 9y ago
Up until about six months ago, I saw it a lot from Haskell proponents here on HN. But with them, it was pretty much against everybody (except maybe users of F#). Either the most obnoxious ones left, or they learned that this was not a productive approach. It's been refreshingly quiet lately... But I disagree that there's a war every time Rust comes up, as a general thing. Many of the Rust proponents here are quite reasonable, willing to listen, willing to explain gently. (The conversation on the current article has gotten a bit out of hand, I'll admit.)
- _dcwr 9y ago
  I've never seen Haskell people (I'm relatively fresh here, 2 weeks, as evident in my lack of fitting into echo chambers) and Haskell is entirely different beast so that's different, especially if they were okay with F#. Rust is pretty much claiming to be doing same stuff in same niche (efficient native code) as C and C++ except better, it's like reverse of Haskell vs. the world except F#, it's Rust vs. C and C++. I wasted an hour and a half or even two here today as well, I at least got a reply from a Rust core team member who responded to me (yay), was nice enough and told me the community rules disallow wars, that's something I'd not get otherwise, but still, this feels very very unproductive in the end...

by _dcwr 9y ago

AnimalMuppet 9y ago

Up until about six months ago, I saw it a lot from Haskell proponents here on HN. But with them, it was pretty much against everybody (except maybe users of F#). Either the most obnoxious ones left, or they learned that this was not a productive approach. It's been refreshingly quiet lately... But I disagree that there's a war every time Rust comes up, as a general thing. Many of the Rust proponents here are quite reasonable, willing to listen, willing to explain gently. (The conversation on the current article has gotten a bit out of hand, I'll admit.)

_dcwr 9y ago
I've never seen Haskell people (I'm relatively fresh here, 2 weeks, as evident in my lack of fitting into echo chambers) and Haskell is entirely different beast so that's different, especially if they were okay with F#. Rust is pretty much claiming to be doing same stuff in same niche (efficient native code) as C and C++ except better, it's like reverse of Haskell vs. the world except F#, it's Rust vs. C and C++. I wasted an hour and a half or even two here today as well, I at least got a reply from a Rust core team member who responded to me (yay), was nice enough and told me the community rules disallow wars, that's something I'd not get otherwise, but still, this feels very very unproductive in the end...