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You're looking for me to bring a wealth of academia and research to the table to match your high knowledge of economics. That isn't going to happen. I've never

• tkahn6 16y ago
  You're looking for me to bring a wealth of academia and research to the table to match your high knowledge of economics. That isn't going to happen. I do not have a high knowledge of economics. I just graduated high school. I'm not asking you to bring any superior academic knowledge to this discussion. I simply want you to do some bare minimum research. You are remaining willfully ignorant in your understanding of economic systems. You have admitted that you have not studied any of this in any detail (whether rigorously or in passing). Likewise, I do not know a lot about the human body. Yet, I would be extremely happy to hear about a process that would eventually conquer cancer. As would I, but I wouldn't get into an argument with someone about cancer research because I have never studied cancer in any depth. I say this because in the framework of Capitalism, there must always be an element of misfortune; which isn't just a byproduct, but a prerequisite to it's success. That is simply not true. The core principal of capitalism is that people engage in mutually beneficial transactions without the threat of physical harm. This is the core idea of the free market. Please go read some literature on this. And I don't mean that in a negative way. You seem genuinely open to new ideas but you seemingly are not willing to seek those new ideas. And whoever is downmodding every reply I post, please explain why. We are engaging in a discussion. The downmod does not exist to express your disagreement with me. You do that in your replies.
  • tomlin 16y ago
    As would I, but I wouldn't get into an argument with someone about cancer research because I have never studied cancer in any depth. Except I'm not arguing. You've created an argument out of a thought, which is, to strive for stability and equality. All I've stated thus far is that Capitalism is a stepping stone to something better. No matter how many times I repeat this, you are asserting an argument. That is simply not true. The core principal of capitalism is that people engage in mutually beneficial transactions without the threat of physical harm. This is the core idea of the free market. Now, here comes the argument. The core idea of the free market is religion. I've read a lot about, and at one time considered myself a Libertarian. I've heard about the "promise land" of free markets for some time. For a while I was hypnotized by that ideal, but we humans operate on incentives. Some people call it greed, but I don't want to demonize a population. Capitalism isn't evil, it's a cloak. The promise of success keeps us all herding towards the door of opportunity, but only a few pass almost regardless of intelligence, morals, motivations or intentions. When your insurance refuses coverage, it isn't because there's an evil asshole lurking to ensure you don't get what you deserve. Company A announces incentives for employers for saving the company money. Those who aren't on-board get reviews, get fired. The workers who respond to incentives deny your claim. You're now fucked, to put it lightly. Company A is now full of incentive-driven bias. This is just 1 course of Capitalism. You don't need me to dig up research or some book about societal structure and how it applies to Capitalism. You see it everyday. Please go read some literature on this. And I don't mean that in a negative way. You seem genuinely open to new ideas but you seemingly are not willing to seek those new ideas. I plan to. And yes, I am very open and very willing to seek new ideas and support those with more knowledge and more ability to drive these efforts. However, I am not willing to listen to steadfast, obstinate reasoning for future consideration. I appreciate that there are those (like yourself) that don't put up with the hearsay and nonsensical banter, but I'm not your target. I'm just voting for innovation.
    • tkahn6 16y ago
      All I've stated thus far is that Capitalism is a stepping stone to something better. That is in itself an argument. You are asserting that capitalism is not an ideal system but you are not backing up that assertion. The core idea of the free market is religion. What does this mean? And you don't even back up this claim. but we humans operate on incentives. Yes. The entire point of the free market is that people act in their own self interest. I can't semantically parse the rest of your text. Can you try restating it? Capitalism isn't evil, it's a cloak. The promise of success keeps us all herding towards the door of opportunity, but only a few pass almost regardless of intelligence, morals, motivations or intentions. When your insurance refuses coverage, it isn't because there's an evil asshole lurking to ensure you don't get what you deserve. Company A announces incentives for employers for saving the company money. Those who aren't on-board get reviews, get fired. The workers who respond to incentives deny your claim. You're now fucked, to put it lightly. Company A is now full of incentive-driven bias. This is just 1 course of Capitalism. You don't need me to dig up research or some book about societal structure and how it applies to Capitalism. You see it everyday. I don't understand any of this.