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So IE should say "sorry I suck, switch to another browser?" Doesn't make any sense... I mean sites will already tell users they don't support older browsers.

freehunter 9y ago
What would really be nice is to have a spec that either you follow or you don't. If you follow it, you follow all of it and it just works. If you don't Javascript is completely broken. It'd be a good incentive to get browser vendors on board.
- bnjemian 9y ago
  I like it, not dissimilar from the shaming model that has contributed to HTTPS accelerating adoption.
- will4274 9y ago
  This idea sounds great but it misses the reality on the ground - web standardization is broken. Compare C++ standardization. Most people are using two year old compilers. While the newest compilers do implement draft features, these features are almost all standardized in the next ~3 years. The standards are clearly versioned and you can put newer compilers into modes to check against older standards if your code needs to compiler on multiple compilers. Features are never removed. By contrast, on the web, everybody is running brand spanking new browsers. Experimental technologies are sometimes implemented before full draft standards are even written. Many or most drafts that are written never become standards. If they do become standards, it's often a decade or more away. Alternatively the living standards of what browsers actually support aren't versioned. It's not possible to put a browser into JavaScript 99 mode - the easiest way to check your code for conformance is to automate your test cases across a variety of browsers. And, features are sometimes removed because they are deemed security or privacy concerns, so conforming to an old standard is not sufficient to ensure proper functionality under modern browsers.
alangpierce 9y ago
May not be exactly what you mean, but if you open IE on Windows 10, it encourages you to use Edge instead. And I think generally Microsoft has been pushing to move people off of old IE, e.g. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie...

freehunter 9y ago

What would really be nice is to have a spec that either you follow or you don't. If you follow it, you follow all of it and it just works. If you don't Javascript is completely broken. It'd be a good incentive to get browser vendors on board.

bnjemian 9y ago
I like it, not dissimilar from the shaming model that has contributed to HTTPS accelerating adoption.
will4274 9y ago
This idea sounds great but it misses the reality on the ground - web standardization is broken. Compare C++ standardization. Most people are using two year old compilers. While the newest compilers do implement draft features, these features are almost all standardized in the next ~3 years. The standards are clearly versioned and you can put newer compilers into modes to check against older standards if your code needs to compiler on multiple compilers. Features are never removed. By contrast, on the web, everybody is running brand spanking new browsers. Experimental technologies are sometimes implemented before full draft standards are even written. Many or most drafts that are written never become standards. If they do become standards, it's often a decade or more away. Alternatively the living standards of what browsers actually support aren't versioned. It's not possible to put a browser into JavaScript 99 mode - the easiest way to check your code for conformance is to automate your test cases across a variety of browsers. And, features are sometimes removed because they are deemed security or privacy concerns, so conforming to an old standard is not sufficient to ensure proper functionality under modern browsers.

alangpierce 9y ago

May not be exactly what you mean, but if you open IE on Windows 10, it encourages you to use Edge instead. And I think generally Microsoft has been pushing to move people off of old IE, e.g. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie...