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> I'd be interested to hear what other economic structures you think are better. I never indicated I knew if there were better economic structures; perhaps it

by tomlin 16y ago

> I'd be interested to hear what other economic structures you think are better. I never indicated I knew if there were better economic structures; perhaps it is yet to be invented, instead of impossible to fathom. An open-mind which considers a new approach is a first step. I think it is better that we don't attempt to "protect" Capitalism ideology (as you have just done), rather, attempt to refine and always course-correct to something more mature and more stable. Isn't that a fair thing to say?

tkahn6 16y ago
I think it is better that we don't attempt to "protect" Capitalism ideology (as you have just done), rather, attempt to refine and always course-correct to something more mature and more stable. At what point did I 'protect' capitalism? You said it's beneath us as a society and I said that what we have isn't capitalism. The problem is that I don't think you've actually studied capitalism as a moral/economic philosophy (but I could be wrong) so saying "we need to find something more mature and stable" doesn't really have any significance.
- tomlin 16y ago
  > At what point did I 'protect' capitalism? You didn't make a sign or wave a $ symbol flag. When you say you "haven't heard a better argument", I read "won't hear a better argument". Perhaps you don't mean it that way, in which case, apologies first. Perhaps your studies and intellectual investment would be of less worth if someone were to dare point out any alternative possibilities. When there is talk about a resource-based economy or singularity government, would-be opposers jump in quickly to shoot an idea down rather than see value. > The problem is that I don't think you've actually studied capitalism as a moral/economic philosophy (but I could be wrong) so saying "we need to find something more mature and stable" doesn't really have any significance. You are right. I have not studied Capitalism or any other type of economic framework. But would it matter? If you've committed to the idea of our "finest form" of economy, than like any religious person, your opinions are hopeless to evolve. We see millions suffer across the world as our "best" economical structure fuels its fire on the backs of the uncountable. If everyone were to embrace Capitalism as most modern nations have, Capitalism would have no "grease bin", so to speak. I am sure the people of developing countries share a different opinion than you. Are they wrong?
  - tkahn6 16y ago
    I read "won't hear a better argument" You are right. I have not studied Capitalism or any other type of economic framework. But would it matter? If you've committed to the idea of our "finest form" of economy, than like any religious person, your opinions are hopeless to evolve. I clearly said I haven't heard a better argument; not that I won't accept any. I used to think a mixed economy was the best economic system (the best of socialism and capitalism). Then I read Wealth of Nations and a bunch of essays from Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. As I said, since reading those I haven't heard a better argument. Maybe I should point out that at this point, I think your an asshole. But I digress... I am sure the people of developing countries share a different opinion than you. Are they wrong? Again, you have failed to do any research. Just Google "free market africa" This is the first hit: http://www.unu.edu/africa/papers/development/Stambuli3.pdf http://www.unu.edu/africa/papers/development/Stambuli3.pdf You should read it. I fail to see how you can bring yourself to argue an opinion that is not grounded in any research. Even if you argued Marxism after reading Das Kapital, at least you would be informed.
    - tomlin 16y ago
      > Maybe I should point out that at this point, I think your an asshole. But I digress... Sigh. You've come here to fight me, yet there is a well-authored video which highlights the points I am making. They aren't mine, but I understand the logic and outcomes in which the author is illustrating. It is with this my eyes open a little more, I learn a bit more and offer my open-mind to ideas not yet in bloom. The results you want me to find on Google reinforce your point, finds the best practice, but not any alternative. I will take your advice about the quality publications you have recommended; Wealth of Nations, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, etc. Yet, still, I will be an asshole simply because I wish to see your research as only that.
      - tkahn6 16y ago
        You've come here to fight me Man, what are you talking about? Are you just trolling? I can't tell if you're being serious. Yet there is a well-authored video which highlights the points I am making. You're not making any points as far as I can tell. Please explain to me what points you are making. I will take your advice about the quality publications you have recommended; Wealth of Nations, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, etc. Are you serious? Wealth of Nations is by Adam Smith. Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal contains essays by Alan Greenspan. I would appreciate it if you would let me know if we are indeed having a serious discussion.

by tomlin 16y ago

tkahn6 16y ago

I think it is better that we don't attempt to "protect" Capitalism ideology (as you have just done), rather, attempt to refine and always course-correct to something more mature and more stable. At what point did I 'protect' capitalism? You said it's beneath us as a society and I said that what we have isn't capitalism. The problem is that I don't think you've actually studied capitalism as a moral/economic philosophy (but I could be wrong) so saying "we need to find something more mature and stable" doesn't really have any significance.

tomlin 16y ago
> At what point did I 'protect' capitalism? You didn't make a sign or wave a $ symbol flag. When you say you "haven't heard a better argument", I read "won't hear a better argument". Perhaps you don't mean it that way, in which case, apologies first. Perhaps your studies and intellectual investment would be of less worth if someone were to dare point out any alternative possibilities. When there is talk about a resource-based economy or singularity government, would-be opposers jump in quickly to shoot an idea down rather than see value. > The problem is that I don't think you've actually studied capitalism as a moral/economic philosophy (but I could be wrong) so saying "we need to find something more mature and stable" doesn't really have any significance. You are right. I have not studied Capitalism or any other type of economic framework. But would it matter? If you've committed to the idea of our "finest form" of economy, than like any religious person, your opinions are hopeless to evolve. We see millions suffer across the world as our "best" economical structure fuels its fire on the backs of the uncountable. If everyone were to embrace Capitalism as most modern nations have, Capitalism would have no "grease bin", so to speak. I am sure the people of developing countries share a different opinion than you. Are they wrong?
- tkahn6 16y ago
  I read "won't hear a better argument" You are right. I have not studied Capitalism or any other type of economic framework. But would it matter? If you've committed to the idea of our "finest form" of economy, than like any religious person, your opinions are hopeless to evolve. I clearly said I haven't heard a better argument; not that I won't accept any. I used to think a mixed economy was the best economic system (the best of socialism and capitalism). Then I read Wealth of Nations and a bunch of essays from Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. As I said, since reading those I haven't heard a better argument. Maybe I should point out that at this point, I think your an asshole. But I digress... I am sure the people of developing countries share a different opinion than you. Are they wrong? Again, you have failed to do any research. Just Google "free market africa" This is the first hit: http://www.unu.edu/africa/papers/development/Stambuli3.pdf http://www.unu.edu/africa/papers/development/Stambuli3.pdf You should read it. I fail to see how you can bring yourself to argue an opinion that is not grounded in any research. Even if you argued Marxism after reading Das Kapital, at least you would be informed.
  - tomlin 16y ago
    > Maybe I should point out that at this point, I think your an asshole. But I digress... Sigh. You've come here to fight me, yet there is a well-authored video which highlights the points I am making. They aren't mine, but I understand the logic and outcomes in which the author is illustrating. It is with this my eyes open a little more, I learn a bit more and offer my open-mind to ideas not yet in bloom. The results you want me to find on Google reinforce your point, finds the best practice, but not any alternative. I will take your advice about the quality publications you have recommended; Wealth of Nations, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, etc. Yet, still, I will be an asshole simply because I wish to see your research as only that.
    - tkahn6 16y ago
      You've come here to fight me Man, what are you talking about? Are you just trolling? I can't tell if you're being serious. Yet there is a well-authored video which highlights the points I am making. You're not making any points as far as I can tell. Please explain to me what points you are making. I will take your advice about the quality publications you have recommended; Wealth of Nations, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, etc. Are you serious? Wealth of Nations is by Adam Smith. Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal contains essays by Alan Greenspan. I would appreciate it if you would let me know if we are indeed having a serious discussion.