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Quoting Douglas hofstader to begin a deep learning article is akin to quoting Einstein to begin an article on quantum mechanics... Douglas Hofstader is against

by j7ake 9y ago

Quoting Douglas hofstader to begin a deep learning article is akin to quoting Einstein to begin an article on quantum mechanics... Douglas Hofstader is against the currrent direction that artifice intelligence is headed .

bbctol 9y ago
Especially as this really isn't about "Strange Loops" as coined by Hofstadter, just... regular loops.
SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
Is there somewhere to read more about his objections?
- savanaly 9y ago
  His wikipedia page says >Hofstadter has said that he feels "uncomfortable with the nerd culture that centers on computers". He admits that "a large fraction [of his audience] seems to be those who are fascinated by technology", but when it was suggested that his work "has inspired many students to begin careers in computing and artificial intelligence" he replied that he was pleased about that, but that he himself has "no interest in computers".[30][31] In that interview he also mentioned a course he has twice given at Indiana University, in which he took a "skeptical look at a number of highly-touted AI projects and overall approaches".[15] For example, upon the defeat of Garry Kasparov by Deep Blue, he commented that "It was a watershed event, but it doesn't have to do with computers becoming intelligent". Which sort of corroborates what the person you're replying to said.
lopatin 9y ago
Out of curiosity, can you elaborate?
- dnautics 9y ago
  I suggest reading "fluid concepts and creative analogies", it's a really great read.
  - lopatin 9y ago
    Looks interesting, thanks. Found a fun fact about this book after Googling, turns out it was the very first book to be sold on Amazon.com!
greato 9y ago
He was against people calling Deep Blue AI when it was not. I doubt he would say the same thing about AlphaGo.
guscost 9y ago
> akin to quoting Einstein to begin an article on quantum mechanics This analogy doesn't work - Einstein discovered the photoelectric effect.
- j7ake 9y ago
  Yes and hofstader is one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence but he has since been disappointed with where the field has gone
  - guscost 9y ago
    Quantum Mechanics is a well-defined subject. "Artificial Intelligence" certainly is not. You could say that the builders of the Antikythera Mechanism were pioneers of artificial intelligence, long before Babbage, Lovelace, or Turing. You could say that everyone from Grace Hopper to Herbert A. Simon to Noam Chomsky was a pioneer of artificial intelligence. It doesn't really mean anything. If you take "Artificial Intelligence" to mean "Connectionist Modeling in Silicon" or "Deep Learning" instead, then my point stands.

by j7ake 9y ago

bbctol 9y ago

Especially as this really isn't about "Strange Loops" as coined by Hofstadter, just... regular loops.

SomeStupidPoint 9y ago

Is there somewhere to read more about his objections?

savanaly 9y ago
His wikipedia page says >Hofstadter has said that he feels "uncomfortable with the nerd culture that centers on computers". He admits that "a large fraction [of his audience] seems to be those who are fascinated by technology", but when it was suggested that his work "has inspired many students to begin careers in computing and artificial intelligence" he replied that he was pleased about that, but that he himself has "no interest in computers".[30][31] In that interview he also mentioned a course he has twice given at Indiana University, in which he took a "skeptical look at a number of highly-touted AI projects and overall approaches".[15] For example, upon the defeat of Garry Kasparov by Deep Blue, he commented that "It was a watershed event, but it doesn't have to do with computers becoming intelligent". Which sort of corroborates what the person you're replying to said.

lopatin 9y ago

Out of curiosity, can you elaborate?

dnautics 9y ago
I suggest reading "fluid concepts and creative analogies", it's a really great read.
- lopatin 9y ago
  Looks interesting, thanks. Found a fun fact about this book after Googling, turns out it was the very first book to be sold on Amazon.com!

greato 9y ago

He was against people calling Deep Blue AI when it was not. I doubt he would say the same thing about AlphaGo.

guscost 9y ago

> akin to quoting Einstein to begin an article on quantum mechanics This analogy doesn't work - Einstein discovered the photoelectric effect.

j7ake 9y ago
Yes and hofstader is one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence but he has since been disappointed with where the field has gone
- guscost 9y ago
  Quantum Mechanics is a well-defined subject. "Artificial Intelligence" certainly is not. You could say that the builders of the Antikythera Mechanism were pioneers of artificial intelligence, long before Babbage, Lovelace, or Turing. You could say that everyone from Grace Hopper to Herbert A. Simon to Noam Chomsky was a pioneer of artificial intelligence. It doesn't really mean anything. If you take "Artificial Intelligence" to mean "Connectionist Modeling in Silicon" or "Deep Learning" instead, then my point stands.