> while my Java apps take 2 minutes to start up This is the classic case (and I'm/we are guilty of it as well) of Java apps that are probably traditional monol

> while my Java apps take 2 minutes to start up This is the classic case (and I'm/we are guilty of it as well) of Java apps that are probably traditional monolithic apps that use frameworks with extensive reflection and class loading (ie spring component scanning). You can get ridiculously fast loading time with Java if you use Dart2, a reasonable web framework and no ORMs. I'm talking 500ms... sort of depends on your JVM settings. Sure not 10ms but still way faster than 2 minutes.