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Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with the Internet, and everything to do with the USA. Most Internet users can't be affected by stupid actions of the FC

Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with the Internet, and everything to do with the USA. Most Internet users can't be affected by stupid actions of the FCC. I guess I'm just a little annoyed that Americans think their Internet experience somehow represents 'the' Internet experience.

thg 9y ago
> I guess I'm just a little annoyed that Americans think their Internet experience somehow represents 'the' Internet experience. Isn't that their stance on pretty much everything? If it's not a US problem, they don't care. If it is, then it more often than not gets portrayed as a major problem for the entire world.
thirdsun 9y ago
In my opinion it's rather naive to think that the development in the US won't have any effect on the internet for global users. The user "bicubic" expressed it very well in another comment [1] in this discussion, so let me just repeat that: > American internet has a very strong and direct impact on 'international' internet. Aside from the fact that a large fraction of international traffic passes through American switches or servers, America is a policy leader to many other nations - both passively and actively. Passively by signalling to telcos in other nations that they could probably attempt the same thing, and actively by forcing some of these provisions as part and parcel of trade agreements. You just can't pretend that the impact these decisions will be isolated to the US. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14751274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14751274
- rocky1138 9y ago
  As John Gilmore said "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." If America decides to fuck up their portion of the Internet, we will move those important services off-shore and build links around it. It won't be broken for long.
  - AndyMcConachie 9y ago
    Correct. This NN argument is essentially about whether or not the future US economy wants to shoot itself in the head or not.
- jorvi 9y ago
  How can you say this when the EU aggressively pursued the EU-US data shield, has net neutrality enshrined in its laws (with many countries opting to build even stronger regulations on top of that). America may be the biggest hard power, but the EU is the biggest soft power. They have the most influence on international law/rights, politics, progression etc; not to mention that they are also the #1 economy in the world.
rmc 9y ago
It's a very diverse campaign! They're targeting all 50 states!
Delmania 9y ago
I understand, but we could definitely use your help. The current administration is hostile to most citizens, and anything that could be done to stop them would be appreciated,

thg 9y ago

> I guess I'm just a little annoyed that Americans think their Internet experience somehow represents 'the' Internet experience. Isn't that their stance on pretty much everything? If it's not a US problem, they don't care. If it is, then it more often than not gets portrayed as a major problem for the entire world.

thirdsun 9y ago

In my opinion it's rather naive to think that the development in the US won't have any effect on the internet for global users. The user "bicubic" expressed it very well in another comment [1] in this discussion, so let me just repeat that: > American internet has a very strong and direct impact on 'international' internet. Aside from the fact that a large fraction of international traffic passes through American switches or servers, America is a policy leader to many other nations - both passively and actively. Passively by signalling to telcos in other nations that they could probably attempt the same thing, and actively by forcing some of these provisions as part and parcel of trade agreements. You just can't pretend that the impact these decisions will be isolated to the US. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14751274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14751274

rocky1138 9y ago
As John Gilmore said "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." If America decides to fuck up their portion of the Internet, we will move those important services off-shore and build links around it. It won't be broken for long.
- AndyMcConachie 9y ago
  Correct. This NN argument is essentially about whether or not the future US economy wants to shoot itself in the head or not.
jorvi 9y ago
How can you say this when the EU aggressively pursued the EU-US data shield, has net neutrality enshrined in its laws (with many countries opting to build even stronger regulations on top of that). America may be the biggest hard power, but the EU is the biggest soft power. They have the most influence on international law/rights, politics, progression etc; not to mention that they are also the #1 economy in the world.

rmc 9y ago

It's a very diverse campaign! They're targeting all 50 states!

Delmania 9y ago

I understand, but we could definitely use your help. The current administration is hostile to most citizens, and anything that could be done to stop them would be appreciated,