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Your post ironically describes itself better than mine I didn't condemn or bring up morality. Satisfaction? I'm sad. I wish someone would write something like

by spodek 9y ago

Your post ironically describes itself better than mine I didn't condemn or bring up morality. Satisfaction? I'm sad. I wish someone would write something like that they turned off their air conditioner, decided to take public transit instead of driving today, decided to avoid meat for a day, or something like that. Instead, edgy comments and no personal change, at least not so far.

rubyn00bie 9y ago
How about instead of writing posts that talk about what others could be doing or presumably aren't you talk about what YOU are doing. Going around condemning people and complaining is far less inspiring and doesn't lead to change. It just makes you seem judgemental and hollow to the "sins" you commit. Honey not vinegar. I find it very odd you post on leadership according to your bio but approach issues like you have here.
mschaef 9y ago
> I didn't condemn If you think you didn't condemn, you have a different view of the meaning of that word than I do. "Most people will blame someone else, ... and then go back to what they would have done otherwise, without meaningful change. ... Which is how we got here." Assuming the word 'here' refers to our current bad situation, that looks like condemnation to me. In some ways, I think that condemnation is warranted - in the first world, we do tend lead lives that are not sustainable. The trouble is that that lifestyle is less something we deliberately design and choose and more of an inherited set of expectations. It's how we've been trained to live by our upbringing. It's the rulebook we follow to participate in the society of our friends and peers. This isn't as much intended to be an excuse as it is an attempt to outline what has to be overcome for people to make a change to live more sustainably. It's not an easy thing, by any means. How many people will 1) see the need and 2) choose to make the personal sacrifices necessary to realize a greater good that may not actually happen? (Tragedy of the commons.) So.... what seems likely is that people will be compelled into those sacrifices and more by external forces. (Market prices, carbon taxes, rising water, armed conflicts, etc.)

by spodek 9y ago

rubyn00bie 9y ago

How about instead of writing posts that talk about what others could be doing or presumably aren't you talk about what YOU are doing. Going around condemning people and complaining is far less inspiring and doesn't lead to change. It just makes you seem judgemental and hollow to the "sins" you commit. Honey not vinegar. I find it very odd you post on leadership according to your bio but approach issues like you have here.

mschaef 9y ago

> I didn't condemn If you think you didn't condemn, you have a different view of the meaning of that word than I do. "Most people will blame someone else, ... and then go back to what they would have done otherwise, without meaningful change. ... Which is how we got here." Assuming the word 'here' refers to our current bad situation, that looks like condemnation to me. In some ways, I think that condemnation is warranted - in the first world, we do tend lead lives that are not sustainable. The trouble is that that lifestyle is less something we deliberately design and choose and more of an inherited set of expectations. It's how we've been trained to live by our upbringing. It's the rulebook we follow to participate in the society of our friends and peers. This isn't as much intended to be an excuse as it is an attempt to outline what has to be overcome for people to make a change to live more sustainably. It's not an easy thing, by any means. How many people will 1) see the need and 2) choose to make the personal sacrifices necessary to realize a greater good that may not actually happen? (Tragedy of the commons.) So.... what seems likely is that people will be compelled into those sacrifices and more by external forces. (Market prices, carbon taxes, rising water, armed conflicts, etc.)