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Oh come on, once the content is displayable it's piratable and they damn well know that. This is more a matter of restrictive terms and conditions they can enac

by zdkl 9y ago

Oh come on, once the content is displayable it's piratable and they damn well know that. This is more a matter of restrictive terms and conditions they can enact due to their monopoly-like position.

xorcist 9y ago
Everybody wants to own the customer. It's true everywhere in the value chain, in every value chain. That's why they need you to install their app.
zimpenfish 9y ago
Streaming DRM'd video to a closed system (XBOX, PS4, set top box) is orders of magnitude less piratable than streaming video to an open system like Linux (DRM'd would be harder to pirate but I'm sure someone could lash up their own Chrome to dump the video after the unDRMing step.) (How would you get the video content out of a DRM'd stream to an XBOX?)
- pedrocr 9y ago
  Pirates are determined enough to break all the schemes and once one does the cat is out of the bag and everyone can access it without restrictions. Ultimately this makes the user experience of the pirate service better than the paid one. Netflix used to say, to convince license holders, that once it entered a market pirating went down because convenience went up. They're now falling in the same trap with their own content...
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > everyone can access it without restrictions Not really - getting content off Usenet/torrents isn't something your average person will be doing. And then you probably need to transcode it for a closed system like XBOX. etc.etc. (And yeah, this is probably something everyone on here can do with their eyes closed - but HN is the top 0.0001% of computer users when it comes to competencies.)
    - zdkl 9y ago
      That's why you should tell your friends about youtube-dl & vlc and other tools like that. It hardly gets any simpler than that, and it's as good an introduction to terminals/programming for non-techy friends as anything else I can think of. https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ (```youtube-dl -g ...``` rules!)
- zdkl 9y ago
  Either you engage in a cat and mouse game to circumvent the crypto, either you just rip straight from video out.
  - mikepurvis 9y ago
    Isn't the point of HDCP to close the analog hole?
  - Crespyl 9y ago
    Exactly, even HDCP isn't that hard to work around.
    - zdkl 9y ago
      Well if you can stream your desktop that's half the work done already. Vlc transcodes just about anything you can throw at it so there's the other half.

by zdkl 9y ago

Oh come on, once the content is displayable it's piratable and they damn well know that. This is more a matter of restrictive terms and conditions they can enact due to their monopoly-like position.

xorcist 9y ago

Everybody wants to own the customer. It's true everywhere in the value chain, in every value chain. That's why they need you to install their app.

zimpenfish 9y ago

Streaming DRM'd video to a closed system (XBOX, PS4, set top box) is orders of magnitude less piratable than streaming video to an open system like Linux (DRM'd would be harder to pirate but I'm sure someone could lash up their own Chrome to dump the video after the unDRMing step.) (How would you get the video content out of a DRM'd stream to an XBOX?)

pedrocr 9y ago
Pirates are determined enough to break all the schemes and once one does the cat is out of the bag and everyone can access it without restrictions. Ultimately this makes the user experience of the pirate service better than the paid one. Netflix used to say, to convince license holders, that once it entered a market pirating went down because convenience went up. They're now falling in the same trap with their own content...
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  > everyone can access it without restrictions Not really - getting content off Usenet/torrents isn't something your average person will be doing. And then you probably need to transcode it for a closed system like XBOX. etc.etc. (And yeah, this is probably something everyone on here can do with their eyes closed - but HN is the top 0.0001% of computer users when it comes to competencies.)
  - zdkl 9y ago
    That's why you should tell your friends about youtube-dl & vlc and other tools like that. It hardly gets any simpler than that, and it's as good an introduction to terminals/programming for non-techy friends as anything else I can think of. https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ (```youtube-dl -g ...``` rules!)
zdkl 9y ago
Either you engage in a cat and mouse game to circumvent the crypto, either you just rip straight from video out.
- mikepurvis 9y ago
  Isn't the point of HDCP to close the analog hole?
- Crespyl 9y ago
  Exactly, even HDCP isn't that hard to work around.
  - zdkl 9y ago
    Well if you can stream your desktop that's half the work done already. Vlc transcodes just about anything you can throw at it so there's the other half.