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um, venv is included by default in python 3, no need to install any package.

• Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd 9y ago
  It's a subtle stab at Debian-based distributions, where pip and venv are only available as optional, non-default packages. (I think Debian really wants people to use apt to install things.)
  • CogitoCogito 9y ago
    I think it's probably actually just because they want to support users who wish to have a "minimal" python installation. Python is used internally by the system and many applications, but that doesn't mean that features like venv are necessary for them. It does make sense not to install them unless needed. That said, I think debian users should lean heavily on the apt versions of any python modules. I will usually install as many modules with apt as possible and then use `python3 -m venv --system-site-packages` to have access to them. That way there are usually very few packages I need to compile/install myself. Seems like a pretty good balance.
    • baq 9y ago
      i do it the other way around and only use the interpreter, the rest comes from pypi or, preferably, an internal pypi mirror.
      • msl09 9y ago
        yeah it's a much better approach when you want to make sure that your requirements.txt file contains all the requirements
  • sametmax 9y ago
    venv is actually a module of the stdlib in Python 3, so you can use python -m venv even on debian. You are confusing with virtualenv, which is a different tool than venv with the same purpose. pip is another beast: it's not included in the stdlib, but installed when you install Python with the ensurepip script. Debian just don't run the script.
    • Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd 9y ago
      Yes, venv is supposed to be part of the stdlib in Python 3. But that is not the case on Debian. You need to install the python3-venv package to get it. That's what I and that Fedora page are talking about.