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Gandhi, "racist"? Would you mind very much googling "Harijan"? You seem to have latched on to a very strange definition of "racist". Gandhi might have believe

by kranner 16y ago

Gandhi, "racist"? Would you mind very much googling "Harijan"? You seem to have latched on to a very strange definition of "racist". Gandhi might have believed during that early period in his life in keeping races separate, which is not surprising given his orthodox upbringing, but he did a very great deal, later, to unite people of all religions and races and motivate them to think of each other as equals, persuading them to literally call each other 'brothers and sisters'. I cannot accept that that is the same as what is commonly understood as "racist".

chegra 16y ago
"We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race."- Gandhi http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htm http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htm Yes, I'm talking about the early part of his life. Well if you feel comfortable - ex-racist.
- kranner 16y ago
  Lots of people contribute nothing to racial harmony over their lives and yet they'd be sufficiently politically correct that you couldn't call them racist or ex-racist. Gandhi ended up having undone the damage to an incredible, extraordinary extent. I'm no Gandhi fanboy, but I don't see how the hint of blame that 'ex-racist' implies can be applied to his life.
  - chegra 16y ago
    Maybe you are right. I was using Gandhi as an example of how evaluating ones fault is not necessary the way to judge people for a job. Sure he made these mistake, but it didn't take away from his ability to unite people. That is the point I was trying to make, whether he was a racist or not, his genius still stands.
    - switch 16y ago
      this is the stupidest comment I've ever read anywhere. Mahatma Gandhi did a lot for people in both South Africa and India. By glibly calling him a racist you're insulting an entire country and a great man.
      - chegra 16y ago
        http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You insult the whole community with your glib response. But it still stand Gandhi was racist in his early days. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/17/southafrica.india http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/17/southafrica.indi...
- gruseom 16y ago
  If you go back far enough, you won't find anyone who thought the way we do about race, so the label you're putting on Gandhi here is an anachronism and the moralism implicit in it is glib. A more interesting place to look for Gandhi's shadow side is in the dynamics of his family, particularly his oldest son (IIRC) who lived out all the things his father hated; he became an alcoholic and, worse, a salesman.
  - kranner 16y ago
    But Gandhi shouldn't have had to be completely responsible for how his son turned out (assuming he turned out badly). I might blame some but not all parents, as a class, if their kids became alcoholic, but in the case of specific individuals it's hard to say. I agree with you on the first point.

by kranner 16y ago

chegra 16y ago

"We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race."- Gandhi http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htm http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htm Yes, I'm talking about the early part of his life. Well if you feel comfortable - ex-racist.

kranner 16y ago
Lots of people contribute nothing to racial harmony over their lives and yet they'd be sufficiently politically correct that you couldn't call them racist or ex-racist. Gandhi ended up having undone the damage to an incredible, extraordinary extent. I'm no Gandhi fanboy, but I don't see how the hint of blame that 'ex-racist' implies can be applied to his life.
- chegra 16y ago
  Maybe you are right. I was using Gandhi as an example of how evaluating ones fault is not necessary the way to judge people for a job. Sure he made these mistake, but it didn't take away from his ability to unite people. That is the point I was trying to make, whether he was a racist or not, his genius still stands.
  - switch 16y ago
    this is the stupidest comment I've ever read anywhere. Mahatma Gandhi did a lot for people in both South Africa and India. By glibly calling him a racist you're insulting an entire country and a great man.
    - chegra 16y ago
      http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You insult the whole community with your glib response. But it still stand Gandhi was racist in his early days. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/17/southafrica.india http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/17/southafrica.indi...
gruseom 16y ago
If you go back far enough, you won't find anyone who thought the way we do about race, so the label you're putting on Gandhi here is an anachronism and the moralism implicit in it is glib. A more interesting place to look for Gandhi's shadow side is in the dynamics of his family, particularly his oldest son (IIRC) who lived out all the things his father hated; he became an alcoholic and, worse, a salesman.
- kranner 16y ago
  But Gandhi shouldn't have had to be completely responsible for how his son turned out (assuming he turned out badly). I might blame some but not all parents, as a class, if their kids became alcoholic, but in the case of specific individuals it's hard to say. I agree with you on the first point.