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> But wait, is this not conjecture, since it doesn't currently exist? Sure, you have sources where it has worked, but the proof would only be implementing it he

> But wait, is this not conjecture, since it doesn't currently exist? Sure, you have sources where it has worked, but the proof would only be implementing it here. Universal and transparently managed healthcare consistently gives more bang for buck. Note that I said "consistently", not just in a few places. Yes, obviously you can't know what's going to happen in the US until you try it. But if it has consistently worked around the world, the best guess is that it will work in the US as well. Surely your argument, can't be... "how can I know this ball is going to fall into the Earth, if I haven't dropped it yet". > What? I don't understand what you're getting at here. My point isn't that the government is corrupt, it's that it's inefficient. And my point is that transparency in healthcare + single payer makes the system efficient.

greeneggs 9y ago
Are there other countries that have transitioned from a high-cost system like ours to a single-payer system? How quickly did their costs go down? For example (according to the first Google links for "usa/uk average doctor salary"), the average doctor salary in the UK is $128,500, compared to $189,000 in the US. How are we going to cut salaries by 32%? My guess is that there are salary discrepancies across the medical industry.
- galeaspablo 9y ago
  > transitioned from a high-cost system like ours to a single-payer system? How quickly did their costs go down? I did not look this up. But I know one thing, eventually you will save money. I don't suppose that it would take longer than 20 years to save money, but I frankly don't know. Maybe you could look it up to expand on your point:-D > average doctor salary in the UK.. Compared to... In the US. That is not apples to apples. There are countries with lower and higher pay, both overall and relative. Plus you have think of differences in cost of living, taxation, malpractice insurance, and even their own medical insurance. Here's a link I found covering a bit of that. The chart would be the tldr. https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/28/are-u-s-doctors-paid-too-much/#12f473ced525 https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/28/are-u-...

greeneggs 9y ago

Are there other countries that have transitioned from a high-cost system like ours to a single-payer system? How quickly did their costs go down? For example (according to the first Google links for "usa/uk average doctor salary"), the average doctor salary in the UK is $128,500, compared to $189,000 in the US. How are we going to cut salaries by 32%? My guess is that there are salary discrepancies across the medical industry.

galeaspablo 9y ago
> transitioned from a high-cost system like ours to a single-payer system? How quickly did their costs go down? I did not look this up. But I know one thing, eventually you will save money. I don't suppose that it would take longer than 20 years to save money, but I frankly don't know. Maybe you could look it up to expand on your point:-D > average doctor salary in the UK.. Compared to... In the US. That is not apples to apples. There are countries with lower and higher pay, both overall and relative. Plus you have think of differences in cost of living, taxation, malpractice insurance, and even their own medical insurance. Here's a link I found covering a bit of that. The chart would be the tldr. https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/28/are-u-s-doctors-paid-too-much/#12f473ced525 https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/28/are-u-...