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> I keep waiting for the reasoned, technical arguments against systemd instead of veiled metaphors It is interesting that you say that, because I am still wait
by benchaney 9y ago
> I keep waiting for the reasoned, technical arguments against systemd instead of veiled metaphors
It is interesting that you say that, because I am still waiting for the reasoned technical argument in favor of systemd.
Anyway, my main issue with systemd is how difficult it is to get rid of. It doesn't matter how awesome you think your software is, there is always going to be someone who disagrees. The beauty of FOSS is that it is easy to modify your system to suit your preferences. But for some reason systemd makes it difficult to switch. Even GNOME has a dependency on it. That seems completely insane to me.
>Systemd, for all its flaws, fixes some very important problems that init and runit and similar systems left unsolved.
I don't really know what you mean by this (and I hear people say it a lot). Systemd only rose to prominence in the last few years. Most systems worked just fine before then. What sort of significant open problems were solved by systemd?
> As far as I can tell, systemd is a holy war. It's the new editor debate. It's vi vs emacs vs sublime vs atom vs ... down throughout time, with people arguing where the tradeoff between simplicity of execution is more important than delivering a system people asked for.
There is a difference between systemd and the other holy wars, and that is that the other holywars were destined to end in a draw. No matter how much you like emacs more than vi, no one harbored the illusion that vi would stop easily installable on an average system. But for some reason a majority of the systemd supporters seem to view using an alternative as a serious crime.
- jcrites 9y ago> It is interesting that you say that, because I am still waiting for the reasoned technical argument in favor of systemd. In that case, you may be interested in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13387989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13387989 and the other resources it links to. The comment reviews Russ Allbery's analysis of systemd [1], which he wrote as part of Debian's evaluation of whether to switch to it. Russ lays out a number of detailed arguments in favor of systemd, and contrasts systemd to alternative init systems. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html