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> Saying you're 'fully against policy X' while cooperating with someone who is implementing policy X is a self-contradictory position. No it's not. The preside

> Saying you're 'fully against policy X' while cooperating with someone who is implementing policy X is a self-contradictory position. No it's not. The president has an enormous jurisdiction, and you can cooperate on some issues and abstain on others. And you can advise on all of them. > there is some objectively good direction for the the economy as a whole which is clear to all It is clear to all that the economy is best off if the titans of our economy give their thoughts to those making policy and decision. I'm not saying everyone has to help the pres do whatever he wants, but withholding advise from the president in the area of economy because you disagree with his stance on immigration is nothing but spite that harms the country.

anigbrowl 9y ago
It is clear to all that the economy is best off if the titans of our economy give their thoughts to those making policy and decision. Count me out of this, please. If there's evidence of a pattern of bad decisions that are deleterious to the economy as a whole - something each person has to decide for themselves, obviously - then I think it's better not to assist with that process. Otherwise you risk enabling bad outcomes.
tptacek 9y ago
This is absolutely not "clear to all". You're always out on a treacherous rhetorical ledge when you try to speak for "all" in a contentious discussion, but here you've run right off the edge, Wile-E Coyote-style.
- ethanhunt_ 9y ago
  A dichotomy: - executive power should be wielded (WITH | WITHOUT) input from leaders of the economy I'm not arguing that we should elect Trump. It's done. Now that he wields exec power, you think that "WITHOUT" is the better choice above? Why?
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > A syllogism: > - executive power should be wielded (WITH | WITHOUT) input from leaders of the economy That's not anything remotely like a syllogism; it's just a dichotomy. A syllogism is a structured argument consisting of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion that follows from the two premises.
  - tptacek 9y ago
    As I've written elsewhere here, I think we're generally better off with a government that does not arrange endorsements from corporate figureheads.
  - pcwalton 9y ago
    That's an irrelevant question, because Trump has demonstrated no interest in input from leaders of the economy. A more relevant question is whether it's worth it for leaders of the industry to publicly pretend to give input to a person who they know will ignore it.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> It is clear to all that the economy is best off if the titans of our economy give their thoughts to those making policy and decision. I don't think that's clear to all, but, in any case, the “titans of our economy” or going to do that whether or not they participate in formal executive commissions or not.

anigbrowl 9y ago

It is clear to all that the economy is best off if the titans of our economy give their thoughts to those making policy and decision. Count me out of this, please. If there's evidence of a pattern of bad decisions that are deleterious to the economy as a whole - something each person has to decide for themselves, obviously - then I think it's better not to assist with that process. Otherwise you risk enabling bad outcomes.

tptacek 9y ago

This is absolutely not "clear to all". You're always out on a treacherous rhetorical ledge when you try to speak for "all" in a contentious discussion, but here you've run right off the edge, Wile-E Coyote-style.

ethanhunt_ 9y ago
A dichotomy: - executive power should be wielded (WITH | WITHOUT) input from leaders of the economy I'm not arguing that we should elect Trump. It's done. Now that he wields exec power, you think that "WITHOUT" is the better choice above? Why?
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > A syllogism: > - executive power should be wielded (WITH | WITHOUT) input from leaders of the economy That's not anything remotely like a syllogism; it's just a dichotomy. A syllogism is a structured argument consisting of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion that follows from the two premises.
- tptacek 9y ago
  As I've written elsewhere here, I think we're generally better off with a government that does not arrange endorsements from corporate figureheads.
- pcwalton 9y ago
  That's an irrelevant question, because Trump has demonstrated no interest in input from leaders of the economy. A more relevant question is whether it's worth it for leaders of the industry to publicly pretend to give input to a person who they know will ignore it.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> It is clear to all that the economy is best off if the titans of our economy give their thoughts to those making policy and decision. I don't think that's clear to all, but, in any case, the “titans of our economy” or going to do that whether or not they participate in formal executive commissions or not.