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What do you think happens at that point to make them switch toJenkins? (In case it's not super obvious, I work at CircleCI)

drinchev 9y ago
I've heard some reasons like : - Privacy issues - Owning critical service component Unfortunately I've never heard the reason that I think is the right one ( at least from what I can see is happening here ), which sounds like : "Hey, we don't need this, because at Zalando / Nokia Maps, etc. we used Jenkins, so I don't wanna spend time maintaining a new tool ( CircleCI )." Same stuff happens with project management ( dominated by JIRA around Berlin ). At one point a company trashed all my CD-setup ( which was with the free plan anyway ) to run Jenkins with Docker ( I don't know how well supported docker is with CircleCI, but I doubt that is so much different than Jenkins ). EDIT: I'm freelancing in Berlin, so I usually do a hand-over when the team of devs is hired.
- scrollaway 9y ago
  Yeah, CircleCI really needs to allow self-hosting. Jenkins is basically the only player in the space and Jenkins is not good.
  - ssemmaprise 9y ago
    We do -- but let me know if for some reason this isn't what you're thinking/wouldn't meet your needs: https://circleci.com/enterprise/ https://circleci.com/enterprise/
    - falsedan 9y ago
      > $35/user/month That's ~$40k/year for 100 devs, plus the infrastructure costs. A Jenkins license is $0 (or $100k+ for enterprise support). If it was my budget, I'd have a hard time fronting up a large fraction of a developer's salary to a third party to provide a fuzzy level of support, versus spending zero money and putting the support burden on an in-house team I can trust and directly influence. TeamCity has great support, I trust them from JetBrains's great work with IDEs, and their top-shelf license is ~$22k (one-off with 1-year of support & upgrade; iirc the yearly support fee is discounted 50% of original license).
      - gtirloni 9y ago
        If you have 100 devs, you need at least 1 FTE supporting Jenkins and that's $60-120k/year alone.
        sixstringtheory 9y ago
        Nah, just have everyone spend 1% of their time on CI.
        falsedan 9y ago
        We have more devs than that, and we spend way less than 1 FTE (or equivalent) per year on keeping it in good working order. Our biggest issue is when we want to do something that's not well-supported or hit bugs.
        gtirloni 9y ago
        That's impressive. We run into not well supported features and bugs frequently. It's probably a side effect of our workloads. Right now we're evaluating GitLab CI and it looks like the way forward (for us).
        falsedan 9y ago
        Don’t get me wrong, we are owned daily by Jenkins bugs. We just push as much as possible out of job config and into shared workflows & Makefiles, and treat Jenkins as a glorified cron with a web UI.
    - scrollaway 9y ago
      Like falsedan said, this doesn't cut it if you don't need an enterprise contract. My team for example: We're a 4-man self-funded startup and paying $140/month just for a license is super expensive, given that we can use Jenkins for free. I appreciate that there's the option, but I'm thinking more along the lines of what Sentry offers: Open source, self-hostable for free, optional paid enterprise support, optional paid hosting for teams of all sizes. In my book that's the perfect lineup. Travis doesn't offer self-hosting, Jenkins doesn't offer (non-enteprise) paid hosting.
      - manishas 9y ago
        Try Shippable's Startup edition @ $499/year. Though Jenkins software is free, you still pay for master and slave nodes. With Shippable Server SE, you can spin up nodes dynamically when builds are triggered, which will work out cheaper since you probably utilize your slave nodes less than 50% of the time. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B072K2F5KF https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B072K2F5KF
  - nickcox 9y ago
    To be fair, there's also Concourse, TeamCity and GoCD which all enable self hosting for free.
    - jamesjamesm 9y ago
      And Drone CI which is the most similar to Circle CI
- ssemmaprise 9y ago
  Thanks for the reply. Yeah, of course there is always the "devil you know" argument :) CircleCI 2.0 was built with first-class Docker support, so if that's something you're interested in, definitely take a look.
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drinchev 9y ago

I've heard some reasons like : - Privacy issues - Owning critical service component Unfortunately I've never heard the reason that I think is the right one ( at least from what I can see is happening here ), which sounds like : "Hey, we don't need this, because at Zalando / Nokia Maps, etc. we used Jenkins, so I don't wanna spend time maintaining a new tool ( CircleCI )." Same stuff happens with project management ( dominated by JIRA around Berlin ). At one point a company trashed all my CD-setup ( which was with the free plan anyway ) to run Jenkins with Docker ( I don't know how well supported docker is with CircleCI, but I doubt that is so much different than Jenkins ). EDIT: I'm freelancing in Berlin, so I usually do a hand-over when the team of devs is hired.

scrollaway 9y ago
Yeah, CircleCI really needs to allow self-hosting. Jenkins is basically the only player in the space and Jenkins is not good.
- ssemmaprise 9y ago
  We do -- but let me know if for some reason this isn't what you're thinking/wouldn't meet your needs: https://circleci.com/enterprise/ https://circleci.com/enterprise/
  - falsedan 9y ago
    > $35/user/month That's ~$40k/year for 100 devs, plus the infrastructure costs. A Jenkins license is $0 (or $100k+ for enterprise support). If it was my budget, I'd have a hard time fronting up a large fraction of a developer's salary to a third party to provide a fuzzy level of support, versus spending zero money and putting the support burden on an in-house team I can trust and directly influence. TeamCity has great support, I trust them from JetBrains's great work with IDEs, and their top-shelf license is ~$22k (one-off with 1-year of support & upgrade; iirc the yearly support fee is discounted 50% of original license).
    - gtirloni 9y ago
      If you have 100 devs, you need at least 1 FTE supporting Jenkins and that's $60-120k/year alone.
      - sixstringtheory 9y ago
        Nah, just have everyone spend 1% of their time on CI.
      - falsedan 9y ago
        We have more devs than that, and we spend way less than 1 FTE (or equivalent) per year on keeping it in good working order. Our biggest issue is when we want to do something that's not well-supported or hit bugs.
        gtirloni 9y ago
        That's impressive. We run into not well supported features and bugs frequently. It's probably a side effect of our workloads. Right now we're evaluating GitLab CI and it looks like the way forward (for us).
        falsedan 9y ago
        Don’t get me wrong, we are owned daily by Jenkins bugs. We just push as much as possible out of job config and into shared workflows & Makefiles, and treat Jenkins as a glorified cron with a web UI.
  - scrollaway 9y ago
    Like falsedan said, this doesn't cut it if you don't need an enterprise contract. My team for example: We're a 4-man self-funded startup and paying $140/month just for a license is super expensive, given that we can use Jenkins for free. I appreciate that there's the option, but I'm thinking more along the lines of what Sentry offers: Open source, self-hostable for free, optional paid enterprise support, optional paid hosting for teams of all sizes. In my book that's the perfect lineup. Travis doesn't offer self-hosting, Jenkins doesn't offer (non-enteprise) paid hosting.
    - manishas 9y ago
      Try Shippable's Startup edition @ $499/year. Though Jenkins software is free, you still pay for master and slave nodes. With Shippable Server SE, you can spin up nodes dynamically when builds are triggered, which will work out cheaper since you probably utilize your slave nodes less than 50% of the time. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B072K2F5KF https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B072K2F5KF
- nickcox 9y ago
  To be fair, there's also Concourse, TeamCity and GoCD which all enable self hosting for free.
  - jamesjamesm 9y ago
    And Drone CI which is the most similar to Circle CI
ssemmaprise 9y ago
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, of course there is always the "devil you know" argument :) CircleCI 2.0 was built with first-class Docker support, so if that's something you're interested in, definitely take a look.
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