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The other thing is that people don't really think this is a true emergency. (Raises hand.) Get back to me when Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, and a thousand other wea

The other thing is that people don't really think this is a true emergency. (Raises hand.) Get back to me when Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, and a thousand other wealthy frauds who lecture me about my SUV swear off flying on private jets. When the people who keep telling me AGW is an emergency actually start acting like it's an emergency, I might take them seriously.

aoeusnth1 9y ago
This is not an intellectually honest argument. Did it ever occur to you that Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio might be rationally self-interested agents who don't care about the damage they cause to others by flying private jets? They talk about global warming because it gains them social status - that fact alone does not tell you whether global warming is real or not. You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming, when it is not evidence.
- rhapsodic 9y ago
  >You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming... You cannot logically conclude that based on what I wrote.
  - aoeusnth1 9y ago
    That's the clear implication from what you wrote - did you not write it to dismiss the likelihood of global warming being caused by humans, and severe?
    - rhapsodic 9y ago
      > That's the clear implication from what you wrote It is absolutely NOT the clear implication from what I wrote. But while we're on the subject, do you have any theories as to why the people who wring their hands about the dire emergency that AGW supposedly is, never seem to call out rich, left-wing celebrities or rich left-wing tech moguls for their planet-destroying lifestyles?
      - pyrale 9y ago
        I can easily answer that question: some do, but you don't listen to them. Some don't because they understood you don't care about them doing so. You're not interested in why they do or don't do it, in fact. You're merely interested in making a whataboutist point.
        rhapsodic 9y ago
        >I can easily answer that question: some do, but you don't listen to them. Some don't because they understood you don't care about them doing so. You're not interested in why they do or don't do it, in fact. You're merely interested in making a whataboutist point. Are you omniscient? You seem to think you are.

aoeusnth1 9y ago

This is not an intellectually honest argument. Did it ever occur to you that Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio might be rationally self-interested agents who don't care about the damage they cause to others by flying private jets? They talk about global warming because it gains them social status - that fact alone does not tell you whether global warming is real or not. You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming, when it is not evidence.

rhapsodic 9y ago
>You are taking their two-faced behavior as evidence against global warming... You cannot logically conclude that based on what I wrote.
- aoeusnth1 9y ago
  That's the clear implication from what you wrote - did you not write it to dismiss the likelihood of global warming being caused by humans, and severe?
  - rhapsodic 9y ago
    > That's the clear implication from what you wrote It is absolutely NOT the clear implication from what I wrote. But while we're on the subject, do you have any theories as to why the people who wring their hands about the dire emergency that AGW supposedly is, never seem to call out rich, left-wing celebrities or rich left-wing tech moguls for their planet-destroying lifestyles?
    - pyrale 9y ago
      I can easily answer that question: some do, but you don't listen to them. Some don't because they understood you don't care about them doing so. You're not interested in why they do or don't do it, in fact. You're merely interested in making a whataboutist point.
      - rhapsodic 9y ago
        >I can easily answer that question: some do, but you don't listen to them. Some don't because they understood you don't care about them doing so. You're not interested in why they do or don't do it, in fact. You're merely interested in making a whataboutist point. Are you omniscient? You seem to think you are.