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The nice thing about the low flow shower heads and toilets is if you find one that works (which I have), you do save a little bit of money every month. Water is

The nice thing about the low flow shower heads and toilets is if you find one that works (which I have), you do save a little bit of money every month. Water is cheap in the US so it's not that much, but since I don't mind the low flow items I have, I have no complaints. :) I'd have to read up more, but as I understand it, that style of gas pump (as well as "new gas cans" which also get a lot of complaints) were made to counter gas vapor leaks that reportedly contributed significantly to smog. Was it trivial in nature? I'd have to see a study. Separately, the last big thing I knew with clothes cleaning was how phosphates were removed from detergents some years back due to environmental concerns; from my understanding, phosphates in consumer detergent caused far more than "trivial" nutrient pollution (example paper: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25038382?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents http://www.jstor.org/stable/25038382?seq=1#page_scan_tab_con...). I noticed when non-phosphate dishwashing detergents were introduced, with our hard water they left lots of spots. But there are non-phosphate ways around that issue. The actual cleaning part is fine.

Jach 9y ago
Yeah I hear you about when you find something nice that also has side benefits like saving money it's great. Since 2014 I've lived in 4 different houses, each one my friend and I replace all the lights with LEDs and only switch them back when we move out. (Plus they're white LEDs, I can't go back to yellow...) It's been great watching the price of those come down too, for our move in 2014 we bought an 8 pack for the same amount that one bulb with slightly higher wattage would have cost only a couple years beforehand. Now that you bring up gas cans, I bought a new small one and I really don't like it over an old one I have. Instead of countering gas leaks it seems to encourage them, I can't keep it in the garage like the older one because when it gets warm its cheap plastic expands and eventually the gas leaks out of the nozzle (some 'safety' feature) and then gets into the furnace which happily pumps gas smells with the AC into the rest of the house... The can's not even half full either. I vaguely remember the phosphates drama now. But I agree, I don't have any issues sanitizing things...
- cr0sh 9y ago
  Re: Gas Cans There are (in my opinion) only two good gas cans out there: 1. The standard US/NATO steel gerry cans with the welded seams (not the crimped seams that you see on the new versions today; you have to do some searching for these nice older cans that were built properly); nozzles can be found at army surplus stores and online. 2. RotoPax - seriously, if you want a modern solution made from plastic, and price isn't an object, RotoPax is what you want.
wyager 9y ago
The cost savings are negligible compared to the extra time wasted cleaning and inferior shower experience. I'm willing to pay an extra 5 cents for a good shower. If water conservation is really such an issue, make the price of water reflect that somehow. I'm willing to pay an extra X% if it means I actually get to choose how to use my water.

Jach 9y ago

Yeah I hear you about when you find something nice that also has side benefits like saving money it's great. Since 2014 I've lived in 4 different houses, each one my friend and I replace all the lights with LEDs and only switch them back when we move out. (Plus they're white LEDs, I can't go back to yellow...) It's been great watching the price of those come down too, for our move in 2014 we bought an 8 pack for the same amount that one bulb with slightly higher wattage would have cost only a couple years beforehand. Now that you bring up gas cans, I bought a new small one and I really don't like it over an old one I have. Instead of countering gas leaks it seems to encourage them, I can't keep it in the garage like the older one because when it gets warm its cheap plastic expands and eventually the gas leaks out of the nozzle (some 'safety' feature) and then gets into the furnace which happily pumps gas smells with the AC into the rest of the house... The can's not even half full either. I vaguely remember the phosphates drama now. But I agree, I don't have any issues sanitizing things...

cr0sh 9y ago
Re: Gas Cans There are (in my opinion) only two good gas cans out there: 1. The standard US/NATO steel gerry cans with the welded seams (not the crimped seams that you see on the new versions today; you have to do some searching for these nice older cans that were built properly); nozzles can be found at army surplus stores and online. 2. RotoPax - seriously, if you want a modern solution made from plastic, and price isn't an object, RotoPax is what you want.

wyager 9y ago

The cost savings are negligible compared to the extra time wasted cleaning and inferior shower experience. I'm willing to pay an extra 5 cents for a good shower. If water conservation is really such an issue, make the price of water reflect that somehow. I'm willing to pay an extra X% if it means I actually get to choose how to use my water.