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You're exhibiting either a woeful lack of knowledge about medicine, or you have a particular axe you want to sharpen repeatedly here. 1) Medical doctors (inclu

You're exhibiting either a woeful lack of knowledge about medicine, or you have a particular axe you want to sharpen repeatedly here. 1) Medical doctors (including psychiatrists), police, social workers, judges, and other trained personnel all can lock someone up for a brief time (and with all sorts of legal protections and due process) if: a) They are a danger to themselves or others. b) They are unable to care for themselves. Please tell us your alternative plan for dealing with those issues. 2) I'd love to be drill a hole in your well-protected cranium and stick a needle in your brain to obtain a sample to diagnose major depression, schizophrenia, or PTSD. Just a small sample, ok?. Let me know if you're ok with that. And if you think there are "objective biological tests" for most common illnesses that are diagnosed and treated, day in and day out, by physicians, I'd invite you to accompany me to clinic where, off the top of my head" we'll see tons of upper respiratory infections, real chronic pain without any demonstrable pathology, "ear infections", etc. This is the bread-and-butter of primary care physicians, and we don't order "objective biological tests" in order to diagnose and treat "medical illnesses" - in many cases because the tests simply don't exist, or are too expensive or too invasive. But perhaps you'd care to explain to the sufferers and their families that we can do nothing for them without your "objective biological tests".

wu-ikkyu 9y ago
>I'd love to be drill a hole in your well-protected cranium and stick a needle in your brain to obtain a sample to diagnose major depression, schizophrenia, or PTSD. Just a small sample, ok?. Let me know if you're ok with that Sure it's okay, post mortem. Many scientists have tried this. Unfortuntely, you would not be able to make a conclusive diagnosis, because the science isn't there.
- refill_request 9y ago
  Post-mortem doesn't do much for your current debilitating panic disorder that makes it impossible to leave your home, now does it? Please. Give us your plan for relief of suffering while we sit around twiddling our thumbs waiting because "the science isn't there." The history of the entire field of medicine (including psychiatry, which is as much science and medicine as any other medical specialty) is a march from partial understanding based on classification of symptoms to other measures. The brain, hidden away behind bone and blood-brain barrier, has been called the most complex object in the known universe. That machine and it's foibles is a little more complicated than finding a buffer overrun or swabbing your throat for strep.
  - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
    >Please. Give us your plan for relief of suffering "First, do no harm". Stop the dehumanization and torture that goes on in many mental institutions: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/29gr27/redditors_who_were_involuntarily_admitted_to/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/29gr27/redditors... >The brain... the most complex object in the known universe This is the honesty I'm looking for. It is disingenuous for psychiatry to claim to be "just as scientific" as medical pathology, because medical pathology has far fewer variables to control for, whereas the mind has virtually infinite variables to control for.

wu-ikkyu 9y ago

>I'd love to be drill a hole in your well-protected cranium and stick a needle in your brain to obtain a sample to diagnose major depression, schizophrenia, or PTSD. Just a small sample, ok?. Let me know if you're ok with that Sure it's okay, post mortem. Many scientists have tried this. Unfortuntely, you would not be able to make a conclusive diagnosis, because the science isn't there.

refill_request 9y ago
Post-mortem doesn't do much for your current debilitating panic disorder that makes it impossible to leave your home, now does it? Please. Give us your plan for relief of suffering while we sit around twiddling our thumbs waiting because "the science isn't there." The history of the entire field of medicine (including psychiatry, which is as much science and medicine as any other medical specialty) is a march from partial understanding based on classification of symptoms to other measures. The brain, hidden away behind bone and blood-brain barrier, has been called the most complex object in the known universe. That machine and it's foibles is a little more complicated than finding a buffer overrun or swabbing your throat for strep.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  >Please. Give us your plan for relief of suffering "First, do no harm". Stop the dehumanization and torture that goes on in many mental institutions: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/29gr27/redditors_who_were_involuntarily_admitted_to/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/29gr27/redditors... >The brain... the most complex object in the known universe This is the honesty I'm looking for. It is disingenuous for psychiatry to claim to be "just as scientific" as medical pathology, because medical pathology has far fewer variables to control for, whereas the mind has virtually infinite variables to control for.