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> Reflecting this shift, design guidelines are increasingly recommending putting app navigation at the bottom of the screen. IMHO the mobile web is terrible B

> Reflecting this shift, design guidelines are increasingly recommending putting app navigation at the bottom of the screen. IMHO the mobile web is terrible BECAUSE of lost screen real estate due to all these sticky elements. I have started a filter list [0] for uBlock Origin that attempts to fix this by pinning scrolling nav bars that block real estate to a fixed location as well as blocking other annoying web elements. I also think these items are terrible for web usability on a desktop (and my filter list works well against them on desktop as well) but taking up such a large portion of the readable screen size with a 'download our app banner' and a navigation scroll bar plus a button that scrolls with you so that you can click to jump back to the top of the page is really horrible. Feel free to subscribe to the filter list [1] by pasting the url into the 'Custom' section under the '3rd-party filters' tab of uBlock Origin and let me know your thoughts. [0] Project Homepage https://github.com/yourduskquibbles/webannoyances https://github.com/yourduskquibbles/webannoyances [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yourduskquibbles/webannoyances/master/ultralist.txt https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yourduskquibbles/webannoya...

SirHound 9y ago
> IMHO the mobile web is terrible BECAUSE of lost screen real estate due to all these sticky elements. I agree, and fight these at work (with varying success). That's no excuse to block the most accessible real estate - there are plenty of valid use-cases that aren't floating social links.
csydas 9y ago
Thank you for this. Just added it to mobile Firefox. I agree with you and have found such elements very annoying since I've had a smartphone. When I was on iOS I was constantly annoyed by this and assumed it was a childish attempt to get accidental clicks from ios users trying to access the page navigation. This article doesn't really inspire faith in web devs since they're staking out territory on my device as if they have say in what I do and do not do on their site. Ultimately I find the attempts to fight with apple or Google to do things the way the web dev wants just makes it worse for me. Apple had a functional means of getting around the page on mobile. Scroll bars have told me how far I was on a page since scrolling existed, and for cases where the page extends past the content, I can survive without a reading progress bar. I'm perfectly fine guessing on my own. I appreciate that web devs do some cool projects but don't just tack stuff on.
- yourduskquibble 9y ago
  Thanks for testing it out! For anyone reading who is curious how to use the list on your iPhone, unfortunately since iOS doesn't actually allow browsers (Firefox on iOS is not actually true Firefox with add-on support) this filter list (and any others) only work for uBlock Origin using Firefox for Android.
ukyrgf 9y ago
I've recently started adding my own filters actively toy ad blocker as well. It felt like a weird step towards being a contrarian to the modern web. It's how I make my living so I played along as much as I could, but now I want to corner myself off more than ever.

SirHound 9y ago

> IMHO the mobile web is terrible BECAUSE of lost screen real estate due to all these sticky elements. I agree, and fight these at work (with varying success). That's no excuse to block the most accessible real estate - there are plenty of valid use-cases that aren't floating social links.

csydas 9y ago

Thank you for this. Just added it to mobile Firefox. I agree with you and have found such elements very annoying since I've had a smartphone. When I was on iOS I was constantly annoyed by this and assumed it was a childish attempt to get accidental clicks from ios users trying to access the page navigation. This article doesn't really inspire faith in web devs since they're staking out territory on my device as if they have say in what I do and do not do on their site. Ultimately I find the attempts to fight with apple or Google to do things the way the web dev wants just makes it worse for me. Apple had a functional means of getting around the page on mobile. Scroll bars have told me how far I was on a page since scrolling existed, and for cases where the page extends past the content, I can survive without a reading progress bar. I'm perfectly fine guessing on my own. I appreciate that web devs do some cool projects but don't just tack stuff on.

yourduskquibble 9y ago
Thanks for testing it out! For anyone reading who is curious how to use the list on your iPhone, unfortunately since iOS doesn't actually allow browsers (Firefox on iOS is not actually true Firefox with add-on support) this filter list (and any others) only work for uBlock Origin using Firefox for Android.

ukyrgf 9y ago

I've recently started adding my own filters actively toy ad blocker as well. It felt like a weird step towards being a contrarian to the modern web. It's how I make my living so I played along as much as I could, but now I want to corner myself off more than ever.