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It's silly to think we're unable to change. Nearly all of the CO2 emissions were done in just a generation. Post-world war 2 industrialization, automation and g
by anon1253 9y ago
It's silly to think we're unable to change. Nearly all of the CO2 emissions were done in just a generation. Post-world war 2 industrialization, automation and globalization caused the vast majority of CO2. There are still people alive today who lived through WO2. Why are we talking like this is an insurmountable problem, that the momentum is just too big? It literally took /one/ average human life span to get where we are. It could take less than one to go back to pre-industrial levels. And it's not just a matter of better technology, it's mostly a matter of social adaptation. If we're dead set on infinite growth (in terms of consumption, GDP, population) we're going to have a problem with or without climate change. The fix is: a smaller population, less consumption, and less production. But that's contrary to /everything/ capitalism stands for. The problem is thus not so much technology, but rather the socio-economic paradigm we're in. How to change this without going all "you dumb communist beta cuck snowflake"? I don't know. But here are some ideas:
- Incentivize less spending by "anti-ads" (could be interesting to add as an ad blocker), basically ads that signal that you /don't/ need what's advertised. Interesting AI problem that can piggyback off of all the stuff that's being done in the ad space itself
- Implement economic incentives for CO2 scrubbing, by carbon-tax, subsidies or secondary effects (e.g. useful non-fuel biproducts, or things like greener living spaces / habitable deserts)
- Stop subsidizing fossil fuels, agriculture, etc. Will it hike up the prices? Sure, but that's kinda the idea.
- Look at the big picture first. Driving your car less, LED bulbs, sure…they kinda work. It's somewhat of a moot point with cargoships that almost burn raw oil, equivalent to the CO2 output of a small city. This is an optimization problem: try to do the big things first.
- Slow down. We define the pace at which society moves. Do you /really really really/ need that stuff in 24hours door-to-door? Do you /really really/ need to commute 8 hours each day? These are human choices. The natural world is kinda reluctant about our endeavors. There's no reason why everything must be done /yesterday/ … helps with mental health issues too.
- Incentivize a culture where "moon-shot" ideas are given a chance. There are many ways we can make a big dent, but often costing billions to build. We have no problem building 250 million dollar warplanes (and buy hundreds of them), no problems building half a billion dollar coal plants. Really, no problem with billion dollar sports matches. In fact, we seem to applaud these things. But when talking about rooftop solar, heliostat installations, CO2 scrubbing, planting trees it's all "cost cost cost". We need to rethink that.
And be kind to all living things. We're in for a tough ride either way. Just try to show some compassion and help those who need it more than you do.
Or that's what I try to tell myself when I'm utterly depressed about it https://joelkuiper.eu/change https://joelkuiper.eu/change
- crush-n-spread 9y agoJoel, why do you live your life in a way that does not appease your true desires and concerns? You know that your current job and path is off course. Why are you sticking with it?
- gorkonsine 9y ago>It's silly to think we're unable to change. Nearly all of the CO2 emissions were done in just a generation. We are unable to change. You're talking about change for the worse there (in environmental terms), not change for the better. Show me one instance in history where a human society avoided disaster. It hasn't happened. Every human society has peaked at some point, and then collapsed. Ancient Rome didn't go from controlling most of Europe and northern Africa to being a stable power among many; it collapsed entirely. Other earlier Middle Eastern societies didn't even fare that well; all that's left of them is a few ruins at best. Humans are pretty good at going from nothing and building up a society in a short time, but they aren't any good at dealing with problems that arise in that society over time, especially if they're compounded by environmental problems. So human societies are always "upwards or bust". What makes you think it'll be different this time? As for all your ideas, ask yourself this: will the voting population vote for candidates who tell them they're going to enact these policies?