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No, that's just Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek's explanation repeated ... by Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek. I see from elsewhere on this page that you have unwisely
by JdeBP 9y ago
No, that's just Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek's explanation repeated ... by Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek. I see from elsewhere on this page that you have unwisely bought into the idea promulgated on that page that Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek will "work with upstream authors and Fedora maintainers of programs like screen and tmux". No, xe won't; and demonstrably has not.
You need to look at some of the history here. Over the course of the past six years, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek has twice cycled around the same loop, once in 2011 and once in 2016. Xe goes to the developers of tmux, tells them that tmux needs to change to be systemd specific, and the developers of tmux ask why systemd cannot provide the same semantics for interactive login sessions that have been employed for the past 38 years, with HUP for session hangup and TERM/KILL at system shutdown; or why at the very least xe does not talk to the C library people. Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek goes away, and then comes back about 5 years later with the exact same thing, unchanged.
Unfortunately, buying into that Fedora wiki page is as unwise as buying into the rather erroneous Freedesktop explanation of how version 2 cgroups work. You will note that the wiki page dates from around the same time as Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek's last cycle around the loop, which hit the headlines last year.
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797926
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11782364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11782364
- asymmetric 9y agoUnrelated, but how come you've chosen to use the `xe` pronoun? I couldn't find any mention of it in Zbigniew's blog.
- jwilk 9y agoFWIW, "Zbigniew" is a male forename.
- Nadya 9y agoFrom what I can tell, they use it for everyone. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11785977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11785977 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14665518 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14665518 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14580113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14580113 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14553959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14553959
- philh 9y agoI've sometimes used it (or ve) in the past, because there's no good gender-neutral pronoun and I don't like to assume. (This is partly a politeness thing and partly an accuracy thing.) Occasionally when I would do so, people would get confrontational about it, so I mostly stopped. But now that means I sometimes waste time trying to find someone's gender even though that's totally irrelevant, and/or try to work around needing a pronoun at all, and/or use "they" even though I don't like it. None of these solutions is great. (Btw, I don't parse you as confrontational. Comments like yours wouldn't have bothered me.)