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I used to be a C++ guy for 20 years, but won't go back unless absolutely necessary. I mean, it's tempting -- there are some cool new language features. I find t

I used to be a C++ guy for 20 years, but won't go back unless absolutely necessary. I mean, it's tempting -- there are some cool new language features. I find that the abstractions are leaky, though, so you still have to understand all the hairy edge-cases. The language has gone insane. I'm 40 -- I want to get stuff done before I die, not play clever games to get around my language / system.

ddalex 9y ago
I've given up on C++ 5 years ago, after 10 years of getting paid to develop it. I find out the extra money that come from a C++ job doesn't cover the gray hairs of trying to tame the language so you don't shoot yourself in the foot a dozen times every time you call a method.
- 0xFFC 9y ago
  Do C++ developer have more salary?
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Yes, because of the industries where the language is mostly used. Fintech, HPC, aeronautics, robotics, infotainment,.... The only industry where devs are badly paid is games industry, but that is common to all languages.
pjmlp 9y ago
A bit older here. C++ has been by next loved language after Turbo Pascal, since then I learned and used countless languages, but C++ was always on the "if you can only pick 5" kind of list. Since 2006 I am mostly a Java/.NET languages guy, but still keep C++ on that list. Mostly because I won't use C unless obliged to do so, and all languages intended to be "a better C++" still haven't proved themselves on the type of work we do, thus decreasing our productivity. Because in spite of Swift, Java, .NET and JavaScript, C++ is the best supported option from OS vendors SDKs. I dream of the day I could have an OpenJDK with AOT compilation to native code with support for value types, or a .NET Native that can target any OS instead of UWP apps. Until then C++ it is, but only for those little things requiring low level systems code.
- benwaffle 9y ago
  > I dream of the day I could have an OpenJDK with AOT compilation to native code with support for value types Check out http://www.scala-native.org/en/latest/ http://www.scala-native.org/en/latest/ Maybe it will have value types after java gets them
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    I am aware of it, but when one works in teams at customer sites, we are bound to what IT gives us, on the sanctioned images for externals. The presentation at Scala days was interesting.

ddalex 9y ago

I've given up on C++ 5 years ago, after 10 years of getting paid to develop it. I find out the extra money that come from a C++ job doesn't cover the gray hairs of trying to tame the language so you don't shoot yourself in the foot a dozen times every time you call a method.

0xFFC 9y ago
Do C++ developer have more salary?
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Yes, because of the industries where the language is mostly used. Fintech, HPC, aeronautics, robotics, infotainment,.... The only industry where devs are badly paid is games industry, but that is common to all languages.

pjmlp 9y ago

A bit older here. C++ has been by next loved language after Turbo Pascal, since then I learned and used countless languages, but C++ was always on the "if you can only pick 5" kind of list. Since 2006 I am mostly a Java/.NET languages guy, but still keep C++ on that list. Mostly because I won't use C unless obliged to do so, and all languages intended to be "a better C++" still haven't proved themselves on the type of work we do, thus decreasing our productivity. Because in spite of Swift, Java, .NET and JavaScript, C++ is the best supported option from OS vendors SDKs. I dream of the day I could have an OpenJDK with AOT compilation to native code with support for value types, or a .NET Native that can target any OS instead of UWP apps. Until then C++ it is, but only for those little things requiring low level systems code.

benwaffle 9y ago
> I dream of the day I could have an OpenJDK with AOT compilation to native code with support for value types Check out http://www.scala-native.org/en/latest/ http://www.scala-native.org/en/latest/ Maybe it will have value types after java gets them
- pjmlp 9y ago
  I am aware of it, but when one works in teams at customer sites, we are bound to what IT gives us, on the sanctioned images for externals. The presentation at Scala days was interesting.