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Developers unimpeachable morals aside, I think the risk of getting caught would outweigh the benefit. Most developers at Apple hardly need a secondary sort of i

by foota 9y ago

Developers unimpeachable morals aside, I think the risk of getting caught would outweigh the benefit. Most developers at Apple hardly need a secondary sort of income.

cm2187 9y ago
> Most developers at Apple hardly need a secondary sort of income. I would have said the same of bankers and management consultants but the fact is things like insider dealing is a thing.
- PeterisP 9y ago
  In this case, the reward doesn't outweigh the risk. Insider trading can earn very large amounts of money, and the higher your current position, the larger scale of insider trading becomes available. Now, for Apple iOS core developers - does it make sense to risk a $200k/year job and possible jailtime to get a $50k bounty (the limit for kernel exploits) that you'd have to share with whoever helps you to launder it?
  - saurik 9y ago
    No, it doesn't... but the context of this subthread was "Apple should pay a lot more for this bounty" which turned into "but if they do that then it will create a perverse incentive to do this evil thing". The people you are arguing against thereby agree with you: $50k is not enough of an incentive; but they feel that at some point as that number gets higher the incentive will make sense.
    - PeterisP 9y ago
      Yeah, okay, with a factor of 10 increase, that would start to make sense, and there could certainly be people willing to go for it. Many high profile bugs seem to have plausible deniability where they can reasonably be errors but might have been deliberately inserted. Anybody can make mistakes similar to Heartbleed, especially if they want to.
lovich 9y ago
Is everyone in this thread being sarcastic about developers morals? No one here really thinks that developers have as a whole are more moral than any random subset of people, right?

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Developers unimpeachable morals aside, I think the risk of getting caught would outweigh the benefit. Most developers at Apple hardly need a secondary sort of i

by foota 9y ago

Developers unimpeachable morals aside, I think the risk of getting caught would outweigh the benefit. Most developers at Apple hardly need a secondary sort of income.

cm2187 9y ago
> Most developers at Apple hardly need a secondary sort of income. I would have said the same of bankers and management consultants but the fact is things like insider dealing is a thing.
- PeterisP 9y ago
  In this case, the reward doesn't outweigh the risk. Insider trading can earn very large amounts of money, and the higher your current position, the larger scale of insider trading becomes available. Now, for Apple iOS core developers - does it make sense to risk a $200k/year job and possible jailtime to get a $50k bounty (the limit for kernel exploits) that you'd have to share with whoever helps you to launder it?
  - saurik 9y ago
    No, it doesn't... but the context of this subthread was "Apple should pay a lot more for this bounty" which turned into "but if they do that then it will create a perverse incentive to do this evil thing". The people you are arguing against thereby agree with you: $50k is not enough of an incentive; but they feel that at some point as that number gets higher the incentive will make sense.
    - PeterisP 9y ago
      Yeah, okay, with a factor of 10 increase, that would start to make sense, and there could certainly be people willing to go for it. Many high profile bugs seem to have plausible deniability where they can reasonably be errors but might have been deliberately inserted. Anybody can make mistakes similar to Heartbleed, especially if they want to.
lovich 9y ago
Is everyone in this thread being sarcastic about developers morals? No one here really thinks that developers have as a whole are more moral than any random subset of people, right?