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Sea Peoples
- csours 9y agoSee Also Extra Credits on the Bronze Age Collapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMP328eU5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMP328eU5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBM1qazAXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBM1qazAXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-8uv4D7cOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-8uv4D7cOE < This one in particular
- ereyes01 9y agoWow thanks, these were great. Can't wait for the next video in that series about the theory of systems collapse. Watching and reading about this stuff, I can't help but think about how prophetic these lessons may turn out to be for the world as we come to grips with the global effects of climate change.
- Royalaid 9y agoAll of extra history is great and so is crash course world history if you aren't familiar with all of world history.
- flukus 9y agoIf your interested then here is a good talk on the various contributing factors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4 . Looks like youtube has quite a few more as well.
- joloka 9y agoI don't think those civilizations have much in common with today's simply due to technological and scientific progress that has taken place--they were barely literate and subject to mythological reasoning and magical thinking.
- ereyes01 9y agoI kind of disagree with that. Yes we have more technology and science, but there are also lots of human processes and social orders (like nations and governments) that don't really change. I'm not sure superior technology guarantees the survival of civilization as we know it in the event of some cataclysm, or wide-scale famine... imagine how many things in the world would be messed up if the US and China were to lose all their value/power in a short amount of time. Also, I think it's a mistake to assume people were dummies back then. If you think about it, humans have accomplished amazing things over the millenia, and some of those discoveries are still important today (every cryptography book still covers Euclid's GCD in its early chapters). Dismissing them as barely literate IMO is ignoring the important lessons that history has for us.
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- R_haterade 9y agoWhen I took world history at university, one of the biggest points taken from the bronze age section was that there hadn't been any hard evidence discovered to support an exodus of Israelites from Egypt to Palestine (Canaan), and that instead the evidence leaned more toward the "Sea Peoples" being the original progenitors of Israel. Can anyone comment on whether this is still the most common accepted theory?
- lr4444lr 9y agoI think you may be confounding two related theories, from what I learned. There is little to no evidence for the Israelites ever being in Egypt, though there was a brief dynastic period (known to ancient historians as Hyksos, IIRC) of Canaanite rulers in Egypt, ostensibly as a brief post-war outcome, and it is possible but without evudence that some Israelites migrated during that time. The "Sea Peoples", a term itself controversial because they don't seem to have any strict delineation in language, art, or leadership, subsumed a much larger presence in the Mediterranean, and it is during their height that we have the earliest solid evidence of Israelites, but also of other Bronze age tribes elsewhere in Greece, Anatolia, etc.
- nautikos 9y agoThis is fascinating to me. From the Wikipedia page, the story of the Hyksos and how they were driven out of Egypt sounds very similar to the book of Exodus. Even the words Hyksos and Exodus sound similar.
- stan_rogers 9y agoEven the words Hyksos and Exodus sound similar. That comes under the heading "Wacky Coincidences in Liguistics". One means "rulers of foreign lands" in a an older Afro-Asiatic language (a precursor to Coptic); the other is an English retention of a Latin adaptation of a Greek word meaning "the road/path out" (exodos) from the book titles in the Septuagint, all Indo-European. It's related to exit (literally, "he goes out").
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- leoh 9y agoMy favorite podcast, "Ancient Greece Declassified" has a wonderful episode that discusses the Sea Peoples: http://greecepodcast.com/episode2.html http://greecepodcast.com/episode2.html.
- meseznik 9y agoI recently stumbled upon this lecture, definitely recommended it (Sea Peoples introduced @ 08:20): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4 -1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Eric Cline, PhD)
- antman 9y agoAlso recommend this which is an hour long presentation of his book which is also exceptional.
- smacktoward 9y agoI feel like we're seeing a bunch of Bronze Age Collapse stories popping up on the HN homepage lately. Why the pop in interest in the subject? Did it come up on a popular TV show or podcast or something? (Note: I'm a history nerd, so I'm not complaining. Just legitimately curious.)
- warpas 9y agoExtra History episode about it every week. Yesterday they released the 3rd one of the series about Bronze Age Collapse. This one was specifically about the Sea People - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-8uv4D7cOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-8uv4D7cOE I've noticed that history topics getting more popularity on HN usually correlate with recent Extra History episodes.
- joloka 9y agoBecause someone is trying to extrapolate the collapse of those societies with the collapse of our global one due to climate change (and other factors) but that dog won't hunt for a variety of reasons. It's interesting history, though.