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I am sure he wouldn't have downplayed the 'signal' issue if it was an issue with an Android phone.

by solutionyogi 16y ago

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ugh 16y ago
Downplayed? In what respect?
- Chump 16y ago
  He tries to emphasize that it happens in only "marginal strength areas" (see also this other post: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-issue http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-i... ) but iPhone 4s displaying 'full bars' have been shown to suffer the problem (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs )
  - gojomo 16y ago
    On the iPhone, signal-strength bars are not a reliable indicator of your local usability. My iPhone 3gs regularly shows 4 or 5 bars -- at the same instant it can't initiate a call or send an SMS. It's either showing some abstract measure of signal strength, unrelated to whether traffic can actually be sent, or it's been programmed to lie.
    - Chump 16y ago
      Do speed tests count as a measure local usability? http://www.cultofmac.com/the-iphone-4-death-grip-is-real-but-does-it-matter/48335 http://www.cultofmac.com/the-iphone-4-death-grip-is-real-but... versus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmVpoccPnc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmVpoccPnc
      - gojomo 16y ago
        I would trust an unaffiliated speed test app or website server-side analysis much, much more than any count of signal-bars. My point is that people are putting a lot of stock in signal-bars, assuming if there are 4-5 bars local service is good (and conversely that drops in signal-bar count mean bad service). That's not my experience in SF at all; the correlation used to exist, but in the last year, it broke. I can have usable calls at 0-2 bars; I can be unable to initiate or hold a call at 4-5 bars. It's some other capacity issue that's not measured with signal-bars that's AT&Ts giant problem.
        Encosia 16y ago
        I can completely, 100% pause the progress of the "Xtreme Speedtest" app with very light pressure applied by two fingers. A little over 2,200kbs untouched. 0kbs when lightly holding it with two fingers. I'm starting with 5 bars reception here in my office too, not a weak signal.
  - jsz0 16y ago
    Without knowing more concrete information either way it's irresponsible to go too far in either direction.
    - ugh 16y ago
      And Gruber doesn’t, does he?
    - naner 16y ago
      I think the OPs point is that if this had been an issue with an Android phone Gruber would have jumped all over it as an example of how the phone manufacturer doesn't pay attention to detail and gets the simple things wrong. I tend to agree on that criticism of Gruber but it isn't really worth pointing out. Everyone here already knows he is very biased and it is reflected in his writing.
ubernostrum 16y ago
I am sure he wouldn't have downplayed the 'signal' issue if it was an issue with an Android phone. Considering that similar issues were reported with the Nexus One, why don't you go find the 10,000-word "LOL DROID SUXORS" rant that Gruber -- as just another Apple fanboy, aiming to make the competition look bad whenever possible -- undoubtedly wrote about it? Then you can link it here and use it as justification for your post.

I am sure he wouldn't have downplayed the 'signal' issue if it was an issue with an Android phone.

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ugh 16y ago

Downplayed? In what respect?

Chump 16y ago
He tries to emphasize that it happens in only "marginal strength areas" (see also this other post: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-issue http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-i... ) but iPhone 4s displaying 'full bars' have been shown to suffer the problem (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs )
- gojomo 16y ago
  On the iPhone, signal-strength bars are not a reliable indicator of your local usability. My iPhone 3gs regularly shows 4 or 5 bars -- at the same instant it can't initiate a call or send an SMS. It's either showing some abstract measure of signal strength, unrelated to whether traffic can actually be sent, or it's been programmed to lie.
  - Chump 16y ago
    Do speed tests count as a measure local usability? http://www.cultofmac.com/the-iphone-4-death-grip-is-real-but-does-it-matter/48335 http://www.cultofmac.com/the-iphone-4-death-grip-is-real-but... versus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmVpoccPnc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmVpoccPnc
    - gojomo 16y ago
      I would trust an unaffiliated speed test app or website server-side analysis much, much more than any count of signal-bars. My point is that people are putting a lot of stock in signal-bars, assuming if there are 4-5 bars local service is good (and conversely that drops in signal-bar count mean bad service). That's not my experience in SF at all; the correlation used to exist, but in the last year, it broke. I can have usable calls at 0-2 bars; I can be unable to initiate or hold a call at 4-5 bars. It's some other capacity issue that's not measured with signal-bars that's AT&Ts giant problem.
      - Encosia 16y ago
        I can completely, 100% pause the progress of the "Xtreme Speedtest" app with very light pressure applied by two fingers. A little over 2,200kbs untouched. 0kbs when lightly holding it with two fingers. I'm starting with 5 bars reception here in my office too, not a weak signal.
- jsz0 16y ago
  Without knowing more concrete information either way it's irresponsible to go too far in either direction.
  - ugh 16y ago
    And Gruber doesn’t, does he?
  - naner 16y ago
    I think the OPs point is that if this had been an issue with an Android phone Gruber would have jumped all over it as an example of how the phone manufacturer doesn't pay attention to detail and gets the simple things wrong. I tend to agree on that criticism of Gruber but it isn't really worth pointing out. Everyone here already knows he is very biased and it is reflected in his writing.

ubernostrum 16y ago

I am sure he wouldn't have downplayed the 'signal' issue if it was an issue with an Android phone. Considering that similar issues were reported with the Nexus One, why don't you go find the 10,000-word "LOL DROID SUXORS" rant that Gruber -- as just another Apple fanboy, aiming to make the competition look bad whenever possible -- undoubtedly wrote about it? Then you can link it here and use it as justification for your post.