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Let's talk about something simpler first - about movies. We know enough about chemistry of photographic film to conclude that movies are simply fantastically c
by garrybelka 9y ago
Let's talk about something simpler first - about movies.
We know enough about chemistry of photographic film
to conclude that movies are simply fantastically complex clockwork automatons, correct?
- robbintt 9y agoAgreed. A film and its corresponding image management toolchain is a fantastically complex automaton.
- anigbrowl 9y agoHaving made or worked on quite a few films, I can assure you that they don't watch themselves, and that if one has done one's job correctly they just repeat the exact same behavior every time. I would be quite interested to see a movie in which one of the characters decided to do something different from the previous viewing.
- garrybelka 9y agoPierre Menard could have made a movie. But even leaving that aside, and assuming for a moment that replays are indistinguishable (and one can enter the same river), would you accept that a movie is reducible to a photographic film chemistry?
- anigbrowl 9y agoOh sure. I'm disagreeing with the idea of it being an automaton qua having some ability to adjust to interaction rather than being static like a book.
- robbintt 9y agoI don't know why you leapt to this thing about the film watching itself. The author did not ask me to assume this.
- vernon99 9y agoIncorrect, movies are not automations, they are simple data sets. Movies+players combination is, yes. But this definition from the parent comment is an oversimplification. This is how the article framed it and its TL;DR: "living systems may be defined as open systems maintained in steady-states, far-from-equilibrium, due to matter-energy flows in which informed (genetically) autocatalytic cycles extract energy, build complex internal structures, allowing growth even as they create greater entropy in their environments, and capable, over multigenerational time, of evolution."
- garrybelka 9y agoSo Yojimbo and Wild strawberries are simple data sets. Where does inspiration come into play?
- crimsonalucard 9y agoI think the difference between life and machines is in how entropy is shifted. Life goes on while, all machines degrade over time.