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> Fentanyl isn't created in the back of a motor home. But it probably could be, if there's a market for it. There are trained chemists making meth [0]. The sal

by sndean 9y ago

> Fentanyl isn't created in the back of a motor home. But it probably could be, if there's a market for it. There are trained chemists making meth [0]. The sale of the precursors of fentanyl is controlled, but so are the precursors to meth. If fentanyl (or an analog) stays popular we'll have people making their own. Edit: I'm not saying it would be as obtaining PSE, but if you're a member of a chem lab, the only thing between you and an order to Sigma is ~two signatures? There's too much money involved for it to not happen. [0] http://news.sky.com/story/inside-the-cartels-cooking-crack-in-mexico-city-10353129 http://news.sky.com/story/inside-the-cartels-cooking-crack-i... (I know, Sky News..)

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tomjen3 9y ago
My brother studies Chemistry. One of the first things they told them was that they could make Meth (I think) with a street value of about 1000 times the cost of the materials, but the police would know where to start looking as soon as they got their hands on some, because it would be too pure, too well made. Mind you, this was told to incoming (freshmen) students, presumably the professors would be able to make the precursors in such a way that the authorities wouldn't know.
- archgoon 9y ago
  So is the idea that the school tells them they could totally do this, and they'd get caught, so as to preempt students from coming up with the idea on their own?
  - vzcx 9y ago
    Eh, it sounds like the teacher is just trying to get their class excited about the chemistry. Come for the very pure drugs, stay for the molecular orbital theory and the love of the lab.
    - throwanem 9y ago
      That, and because some of the more enterprising students would come up with the idea on their own, so better to depress any such tendency ahead of time than end up with two or three people a year finding out via prison sentences that they weren't quite as smart as they thought they were.
- scrame 9y ago
  Yep. In O-chem lab many years ago one of the first things we did was "alkaloid extraction", where we pulled caffeine from tea bags, which was a yellow, clumpy powder, which we then washed out the impurities and it was a clean white crystal. Caffeine is in the same family as meth, and the process is similar. The teacher joked that she used to teach in San Bernardino and there were a lot of chemicals that the department never had to buy because the police would turn it over after raiding meth labs.
  - vzcx 9y ago
    > Caffeine is in the same family as meth If by family you mean CNS stimulant with an amino group, then yes, I guess? They are very different structurally and pharmacologically. A synthesis of methamphetamine would not look very much at all like an alkaloid extraction, except, possibly, for the final workup and isolation of the salt.
- vzcx 9y ago
  "Oh, we could totally synthesize meth and make tons of money, but it would be so good we'd get caught immediately." Talk is cheap. POC or GTFO.
vzcx 9y ago
Setting up a lab capable of producing fentanyl has significant up-front costs associated with it. Running the lab and keeping it stocked with precursors is an ongoing risk. For better or worse, the golden age of american clandestine laboratories is probably past: it is far easier to import an uncontrolled, custom-synthesized fentanyl analog, although I would not recommend getting into this business. Fentanyl isn't popular _at all_ among opioid addicts. The duration of effect is short relative to morphine-like molecules and it absolutely wrecks one's opioid tolerance. Fentanyl is popular among unscrupulous heroin dealers that try to pass off a cheap synthetic opioid as $200/gram diacetylmorphine.

by sndean 9y ago

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tomjen3 9y ago

My brother studies Chemistry. One of the first things they told them was that they could make Meth (I think) with a street value of about 1000 times the cost of the materials, but the police would know where to start looking as soon as they got their hands on some, because it would be too pure, too well made. Mind you, this was told to incoming (freshmen) students, presumably the professors would be able to make the precursors in such a way that the authorities wouldn't know.

archgoon 9y ago
So is the idea that the school tells them they could totally do this, and they'd get caught, so as to preempt students from coming up with the idea on their own?
- vzcx 9y ago
  Eh, it sounds like the teacher is just trying to get their class excited about the chemistry. Come for the very pure drugs, stay for the molecular orbital theory and the love of the lab.
  - throwanem 9y ago
    That, and because some of the more enterprising students would come up with the idea on their own, so better to depress any such tendency ahead of time than end up with two or three people a year finding out via prison sentences that they weren't quite as smart as they thought they were.
scrame 9y ago
Yep. In O-chem lab many years ago one of the first things we did was "alkaloid extraction", where we pulled caffeine from tea bags, which was a yellow, clumpy powder, which we then washed out the impurities and it was a clean white crystal. Caffeine is in the same family as meth, and the process is similar. The teacher joked that she used to teach in San Bernardino and there were a lot of chemicals that the department never had to buy because the police would turn it over after raiding meth labs.
- vzcx 9y ago
  > Caffeine is in the same family as meth If by family you mean CNS stimulant with an amino group, then yes, I guess? They are very different structurally and pharmacologically. A synthesis of methamphetamine would not look very much at all like an alkaloid extraction, except, possibly, for the final workup and isolation of the salt.
vzcx 9y ago
"Oh, we could totally synthesize meth and make tons of money, but it would be so good we'd get caught immediately." Talk is cheap. POC or GTFO.

vzcx 9y ago

Setting up a lab capable of producing fentanyl has significant up-front costs associated with it. Running the lab and keeping it stocked with precursors is an ongoing risk. For better or worse, the golden age of american clandestine laboratories is probably past: it is far easier to import an uncontrolled, custom-synthesized fentanyl analog, although I would not recommend getting into this business. Fentanyl isn't popular _at all_ among opioid addicts. The duration of effect is short relative to morphine-like molecules and it absolutely wrecks one's opioid tolerance. Fentanyl is popular among unscrupulous heroin dealers that try to pass off a cheap synthetic opioid as $200/gram diacetylmorphine.