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It keeps talented people out. Not just women.

by brndnmtthws 9y ago

Lagged2Death 9y ago
http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2016/07/07/all-houses-matter-the-extended-cut/ http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2016/07/07/all-houses-...
pfooti 9y ago
While this is true, we should specifically address people that aren't white men here. There's a pervasive myth that the STEM pipeline is to blame for why so many tech employees (especially engineers) are white men. See, for example, some of Ashton Kutcher's questions here: [0]. This question was specifically asked: "Given that in the short term we are clearly bound by the existing educated talent pool in STEM, other than promoting STEM education parity going forward, how do we stop gap a solution?" We are, in fact, not bound by the existing educated pool. We are bound by the existing pool of people who are educated and willing to put up with the toxic culture of some (most?) startups. See also: discussion about Coraline Ehmke's experiences at GitHub, wherein a number of commenters talked about having far more supportive experiences at LargeCompanies, ones that had real HR departments. But ultimately, I agree. I'm a white guy, and I'm also not interested in joining a brogrammer startup. I've been working in academia and nonprofits, and have been (and continue to be) very picky about where I apply. I can't speak to how talented I am, but here's another anecdotal data point - I'm not participating in this segment of the labor market, because I don't want want to be complicit in it. Relatedly, if anyone has any examples of companies to the contrary, let me know. I'll be looking again this winter. 0: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6288694148111441920/ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6288694...
KirinDave 9y ago
Both these statements can be true and informative. Why do state it as an alternative?

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It keeps talented people out. Not just women.

by brndnmtthws 9y ago

It keeps talented people out. Not just women.

Lagged2Death 9y ago
http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2016/07/07/all-houses-matter-the-extended-cut/ http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2016/07/07/all-houses-...
pfooti 9y ago
While this is true, we should specifically address people that aren't white men here. There's a pervasive myth that the STEM pipeline is to blame for why so many tech employees (especially engineers) are white men. See, for example, some of Ashton Kutcher's questions here: [0]. This question was specifically asked: "Given that in the short term we are clearly bound by the existing educated talent pool in STEM, other than promoting STEM education parity going forward, how do we stop gap a solution?" We are, in fact, not bound by the existing educated pool. We are bound by the existing pool of people who are educated and willing to put up with the toxic culture of some (most?) startups. See also: discussion about Coraline Ehmke's experiences at GitHub, wherein a number of commenters talked about having far more supportive experiences at LargeCompanies, ones that had real HR departments. But ultimately, I agree. I'm a white guy, and I'm also not interested in joining a brogrammer startup. I've been working in academia and nonprofits, and have been (and continue to be) very picky about where I apply. I can't speak to how talented I am, but here's another anecdotal data point - I'm not participating in this segment of the labor market, because I don't want want to be complicit in it. Relatedly, if anyone has any examples of companies to the contrary, let me know. I'll be looking again this winter. 0: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6288694148111441920/ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6288694...
KirinDave 9y ago
Both these statements can be true and informative. Why do state it as an alternative?