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Very good points, thank you. I wonder if there studies that show what kind of impact this has, overall? Probably hard to measure without finding an area that ha

Very good points, thank you. I wonder if there studies that show what kind of impact this has, overall? Probably hard to measure without finding an area that had a rapid racial change in government. I guess I was just objecting to the idea that "racism" is the cause for these statistical imbalances, especially since you see the same kind of thing happening in Europe which would seem, at least on the surface, to have less racism issues, no? But perhaps I'm wrong since a lot of good people think the opposite, but it's hard to tell since it's so politicized and sensitive, just like anything about race.

tptacek 9y ago
It is absolutely not the case that Europe has less problems with racism than the United States. Racism is a very real problem throughout pretty much all of Europe.
- MichaelGG 9y ago
  Interesting. So e.g. Norway has a similar level of racism towards blacks as the US does? Why?
  - tptacek 9y ago
    Non sequitur. Your analyses across this thread are all very weak, based on weirdly fallacious premises; here, that "racism" means "racism against black people". A reasonable reader might suspect that you reached, for whatever reason, the conclusion that capital punishment couldn't be racist (perhaps because, as you've stated in other comments on HN, you feel the term "racism" is used too often), and are now intent on working your way backwards from that conclusion. I think you should take a beat and reconsider how you're approaching the topic. It's an odd experience discussing this with you and watching you do little dances after each response to reorient yourself towards your preferred conclusion. Edited extensively from the one-liner I originally wrote, sorry.
    - MichaelGG 9y ago
      Fair enough, though I'm not talking about capital punishment or lack of racism in the US justice system. It's terribly unfair, especially to blacks in the US - zero argument there. Do you have any suggestions on straight, fact-based reading on the subject, sources that aren't trying to appear sensitive? It's hard - even admitting races and may have differences upsets people. On Norway, I'm just saying they don't have the same levels of racism baggage as the US regarding "Africans" (quotes cause it seems weird that many of them have families in the US longer than mine, but I would get no qualifiers as an American) yet still Norway sees overrepresentation.

tptacek 9y ago

It is absolutely not the case that Europe has less problems with racism than the United States. Racism is a very real problem throughout pretty much all of Europe.

MichaelGG 9y ago
Interesting. So e.g. Norway has a similar level of racism towards blacks as the US does? Why?
- tptacek 9y ago
  Non sequitur. Your analyses across this thread are all very weak, based on weirdly fallacious premises; here, that "racism" means "racism against black people". A reasonable reader might suspect that you reached, for whatever reason, the conclusion that capital punishment couldn't be racist (perhaps because, as you've stated in other comments on HN, you feel the term "racism" is used too often), and are now intent on working your way backwards from that conclusion. I think you should take a beat and reconsider how you're approaching the topic. It's an odd experience discussing this with you and watching you do little dances after each response to reorient yourself towards your preferred conclusion. Edited extensively from the one-liner I originally wrote, sorry.
  - MichaelGG 9y ago
    Fair enough, though I'm not talking about capital punishment or lack of racism in the US justice system. It's terribly unfair, especially to blacks in the US - zero argument there. Do you have any suggestions on straight, fact-based reading on the subject, sources that aren't trying to appear sensitive? It's hard - even admitting races and may have differences upsets people. On Norway, I'm just saying they don't have the same levels of racism baggage as the US regarding "Africans" (quotes cause it seems weird that many of them have families in the US longer than mine, but I would get no qualifiers as an American) yet still Norway sees overrepresentation.