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You just completely changed the subject. I've had several friends who've had to go back and forth a few times with their electrician to get a L2 charger install

You just completely changed the subject. I've had several friends who've had to go back and forth a few times with their electrician to get a L2 charger installed at their house. I live in an apartment, and after 3 years of lobbying, my complex installed a charger. New construction in my area is required to install chargers. City parking garages where I live have chargers, and there are even a few chargers for street parking. I say all of this not to claim that charger access is not an issue -- it is -- but to point out that solutions exist. Also, I hope this is a good illustration of why you should not tell other people on HN that they don't understand something.

cptskippy 9y ago
> You just completely changed the subject How so? The OP said that by 2040 there wouldn't be ICE vehicles on sale and the reply we're on remarked about the need for dramatic improvements in battery. I stated that I felt charger availability and battery degradation would be limiting factors. We're discussing charger availability and two of the key factors to availability are infrastructure and cost. > So, apparently, you don't understand how people who currently own electric cars & can charge at home do charging. > Also, I hope this is a good illustration of why you should not tell other people on HN that they don't understand something. I think you should heed your own advice because as I stated before, I own an electric car, charge from home, and don't have a L2 Charger. > I've had several friends who've had to go back and forth a few times with their electrician to get a L2 charger installed at their house. Are you implying I didn't try hard enough to get a L2 Charger? I can get one installed, I haven't and you have literally no idea why nor have you asked. > I live in an apartment, and after 3 years of lobbying, my complex installed a charger. That's great, what happens when 10 tenants at your apartment all buy EVs? Do you have to petition for another 3 years to get additional chargers installed? Or does your complex implement fines to encourage sharing? The parking deck at my office has 4 spots for 2 chargers and charges you $20 if your car occupies a spot for more than 4 hours because the demand exceeds the capacity and they're not about to shell out for additional capacity. Things like requiring new construction to offer chargers is great but it will only take us so far. How many L2 or DC Fast Chargers can be supported by the transmission lines being installed with that new construction? As soon as 50% of the parking spaces in that new construction demand access to chargers there will be a reckoning because the cost to install the necessary equipment will be significant. Eventually we're going to run into a situation similar to what happened in Australia with solar deployments, the demand for charging stations will put such a demand on the grid that a moratorium will be imposed.

cptskippy 9y ago

> You just completely changed the subject How so? The OP said that by 2040 there wouldn't be ICE vehicles on sale and the reply we're on remarked about the need for dramatic improvements in battery. I stated that I felt charger availability and battery degradation would be limiting factors. We're discussing charger availability and two of the key factors to availability are infrastructure and cost. > So, apparently, you don't understand how people who currently own electric cars & can charge at home do charging. > Also, I hope this is a good illustration of why you should not tell other people on HN that they don't understand something. I think you should heed your own advice because as I stated before, I own an electric car, charge from home, and don't have a L2 Charger. > I've had several friends who've had to go back and forth a few times with their electrician to get a L2 charger installed at their house. Are you implying I didn't try hard enough to get a L2 Charger? I can get one installed, I haven't and you have literally no idea why nor have you asked. > I live in an apartment, and after 3 years of lobbying, my complex installed a charger. That's great, what happens when 10 tenants at your apartment all buy EVs? Do you have to petition for another 3 years to get additional chargers installed? Or does your complex implement fines to encourage sharing? The parking deck at my office has 4 spots for 2 chargers and charges you $20 if your car occupies a spot for more than 4 hours because the demand exceeds the capacity and they're not about to shell out for additional capacity. Things like requiring new construction to offer chargers is great but it will only take us so far. How many L2 or DC Fast Chargers can be supported by the transmission lines being installed with that new construction? As soon as 50% of the parking spaces in that new construction demand access to chargers there will be a reckoning because the cost to install the necessary equipment will be significant. Eventually we're going to run into a situation similar to what happened in Australia with solar deployments, the demand for charging stations will put such a demand on the grid that a moratorium will be imposed.