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Professional and open source implementations of Common Lisp are stable but nonetheless under active development. Many hobbyists and professionals use Lisp to s

Professional and open source implementations of Common Lisp are stable but nonetheless under active development. Many hobbyists and professionals use Lisp to solve their problems and make money. IDEs are in a sorry state. If you're an Emacs user, you'll be happy. Otherwise, unless you spend hundreds of dollars for a professional IDE, you won't have much. Editing Lisp requires a good IDE.

vram22 9y ago
>Many hobbyists and professionals use Lisp to solve their problems and make money. Is there anywhere that one can read about such cases? Would be interesting to read about both how well they are doing and what sort of apps they use Lisp for making.
slightlyCyborg 9y ago
The stability of something like SBCL feels nice after a year in Clojure.
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oblio 9y ago
Any recommendations for a Lisp IDE outside of Emacs? Also, aren't there any other OSS or free Lisp IDEs outside of Emacs? Or are they all crap?
- vindarel 9y ago
  Yes, we have Vim and Atom plugins: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#text-editor-resources https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#text-editor-resou... And [Portacle](https://shinmera.github.io/portacle/ https://shinmera.github.io/portacle/) is an Emacs shipped with SBCL, Slime and Git in a portable and multiplatform way, so it's straightforward to begin with.
- tnecniv 9y ago
  Pretty much everyone I know that does lisp uses Emacs + SLIME.
  - oblio 9y ago
    :(
- fiddlerwoaroof 9y ago
  vim + slimv is a pretty good combo, if you're used to vim. Also, although it won't give you the "full lisp experience", using something like parinfer or paredit in Atom will make editing lisp more pleasant.
- fiddlerwoaroof 9y ago
  Also, from a _very_ quick test, it looks like Atom has ok support for SLIME. Just grab the latest release from https://github.com/slime/slime/releases https://github.com/slime/slime/releases Install atom-slime and sbcl (something like brew install sbcl on osx) Point atom to the directory you extracted slime to and then hit packages > slime > start
- girzel 9y ago
  I wonder why there aren't more good IDEs for Lisp. Is it just because Emacs is already there? It seems like it would actually be easier to create an IDE for Lisp than for other languages. Parenthesis editing should be very simple, as should sending definitions to the running system... Is it more complicated than I think?
- Jach 9y ago
  The wiki is a great resource: http://www.cliki.net/Development http://www.cliki.net/Development Really for a good experience you just need something with Swank support and ability to highlight matching parens. Eclipse would even work, though I haven't tried any of the plugins for it. IDE features like introspecting values, breakpoints, tracing, profiling, stepping, recompiling are all part of the Common Lisp standard so you'll get them for free just by running the Lisp REPL in a terminal. What you use on top of that is really just making it more convenient to interact with the Lisp environment than typing everything in by hand. I like slimv with its auto-paren-infer stuff turned off (matching and rainbow parens are fine for me) but I've also just used a tool that uses two screen sessions to send data back and forth without using Swank (or even Lisp, I use it sometimes for Python but that's trickier because I can't just send a class to (re)define if I have newlines between methods and I can't casually change my namespace).
guicho271828 9y ago
just look at slimv

vram22 9y ago

>Many hobbyists and professionals use Lisp to solve their problems and make money. Is there anywhere that one can read about such cases? Would be interesting to read about both how well they are doing and what sort of apps they use Lisp for making.

slightlyCyborg 9y ago

The stability of something like SBCL feels nice after a year in Clojure.

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oblio 9y ago

Any recommendations for a Lisp IDE outside of Emacs? Also, aren't there any other OSS or free Lisp IDEs outside of Emacs? Or are they all crap?

vindarel 9y ago
Yes, we have Vim and Atom plugins: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#text-editor-resources https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#text-editor-resou... And [Portacle](https://shinmera.github.io/portacle/ https://shinmera.github.io/portacle/) is an Emacs shipped with SBCL, Slime and Git in a portable and multiplatform way, so it's straightforward to begin with.
tnecniv 9y ago
Pretty much everyone I know that does lisp uses Emacs + SLIME.
- oblio 9y ago
  :(
fiddlerwoaroof 9y ago
vim + slimv is a pretty good combo, if you're used to vim. Also, although it won't give you the "full lisp experience", using something like parinfer or paredit in Atom will make editing lisp more pleasant.
fiddlerwoaroof 9y ago
Also, from a _very_ quick test, it looks like Atom has ok support for SLIME. Just grab the latest release from https://github.com/slime/slime/releases https://github.com/slime/slime/releases Install atom-slime and sbcl (something like brew install sbcl on osx) Point atom to the directory you extracted slime to and then hit packages > slime > start
girzel 9y ago
I wonder why there aren't more good IDEs for Lisp. Is it just because Emacs is already there? It seems like it would actually be easier to create an IDE for Lisp than for other languages. Parenthesis editing should be very simple, as should sending definitions to the running system... Is it more complicated than I think?
Jach 9y ago
The wiki is a great resource: http://www.cliki.net/Development http://www.cliki.net/Development Really for a good experience you just need something with Swank support and ability to highlight matching parens. Eclipse would even work, though I haven't tried any of the plugins for it. IDE features like introspecting values, breakpoints, tracing, profiling, stepping, recompiling are all part of the Common Lisp standard so you'll get them for free just by running the Lisp REPL in a terminal. What you use on top of that is really just making it more convenient to interact with the Lisp environment than typing everything in by hand. I like slimv with its auto-paren-infer stuff turned off (matching and rainbow parens are fine for me) but I've also just used a tool that uses two screen sessions to send data back and forth without using Swank (or even Lisp, I use it sometimes for Python but that's trickier because I can't just send a class to (re)define if I have newlines between methods and I can't casually change my namespace).

guicho271828 9y ago

just look at slimv