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> I set it up with SPF and DKIM properly, triple checked. And yet, for whatever reason, sometimes my email end in spam. It's probably your IP address. Sure, S

by mabbo 9y ago

> I set it up with SPF and DKIM properly, triple checked. And yet, for whatever reason, sometimes my email end in spam. It's probably your IP address. Sure, SPF and DKIM say you are allowed to send these emails, you are who you say you are, etc, but you also aren't a Sendgrid IP address (or someone similar) so you're treated as less trustworthy. I could be wrong, but I believe many email servers take these things into consideration (please let me know if I'm mistaken!)

problems 9y ago
This is fairly common - if you want a method that gets you around this at the cost of some privacy, you can use Mailgun or a similar service for free as your relay, which should pass most spam filters without issue.
- JohnTHaller 9y ago
  Mailgun has similar issues though. We advise those signing up for accounts on our open source community site not to use Hotmail since mailgun emails tend to get binned by Hotmail. Not sorted to spam or bounced, straight up deleted.
rtx 9y ago
Is this anti NN.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  No.
  - jff 9y ago
    However, it's still Real Stupid.
    - ceejayoz 9y ago
      I'm pretty happy with the results of spam filtering based on sender reputation.
Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
You can appeal to DNSBLs to have your IP unlisted.
- jamie_ca 9y ago
  Not always feasable. I run my email through google for my domain, and the IP assigned to my mail server is actively used to send spam (like, daily active reports on SORBS), so I can't even fill out their form to get it unblocked. As a result, I need to email my bank from a different email address. So stupid.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    >I run my email through google for my domain Well, here's your problem. Have you thought about self hosting?
gregmac 9y ago
If you're literally running an e-mail server from your cable/DSL connection, you're much more likely to be marked as spam, regardless of doing everything else correctly (SPF/DKIM/reverse DNS), because there are lists like SORBS DUHL [1] and RBL-DNS DUL [2] that index these. Some servers block entirely, others just use it as an indicator that your mail is more likely to be spam. Many spam filtering systems work on a 'points' system, so being on the dynamic IP list adds a lot of points, and if you also have other things that add points (being a mailing list, having 'unsubscribe' links, attaching images, having links) it might be enough to put it over the edge and get marked as spam. You can do a lookup [3] to see if you're on any of these lists. [1] http://www.sorbs.net/faq/dul.shtml http://www.sorbs.net/faq/dul.shtml [2] http://www.rbl-dns.com/dul.shtml http://www.rbl-dns.com/dul.shtml [3] http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/ http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  Although what you say is true, I've been running my own mail server out of my house for years with proper spf/dkim/dns and have never had problems of my mail being sent to spam.

by mabbo 9y ago

problems 9y ago

This is fairly common - if you want a method that gets you around this at the cost of some privacy, you can use Mailgun or a similar service for free as your relay, which should pass most spam filters without issue.

JohnTHaller 9y ago
Mailgun has similar issues though. We advise those signing up for accounts on our open source community site not to use Hotmail since mailgun emails tend to get binned by Hotmail. Not sorted to spam or bounced, straight up deleted.

rtx 9y ago

Is this anti NN.

ceejayoz 9y ago
No.
- jff 9y ago
  However, it's still Real Stupid.
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    I'm pretty happy with the results of spam filtering based on sender reputation.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago

You can appeal to DNSBLs to have your IP unlisted.

jamie_ca 9y ago
Not always feasable. I run my email through google for my domain, and the IP assigned to my mail server is actively used to send spam (like, daily active reports on SORBS), so I can't even fill out their form to get it unblocked. As a result, I need to email my bank from a different email address. So stupid.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  >I run my email through google for my domain Well, here's your problem. Have you thought about self hosting?

gregmac 9y ago

If you're literally running an e-mail server from your cable/DSL connection, you're much more likely to be marked as spam, regardless of doing everything else correctly (SPF/DKIM/reverse DNS), because there are lists like SORBS DUHL [1] and RBL-DNS DUL [2] that index these. Some servers block entirely, others just use it as an indicator that your mail is more likely to be spam. Many spam filtering systems work on a 'points' system, so being on the dynamic IP list adds a lot of points, and if you also have other things that add points (being a mailing list, having 'unsubscribe' links, attaching images, having links) it might be enough to put it over the edge and get marked as spam. You can do a lookup [3] to see if you're on any of these lists. [1] http://www.sorbs.net/faq/dul.shtml http://www.sorbs.net/faq/dul.shtml [2] http://www.rbl-dns.com/dul.shtml http://www.rbl-dns.com/dul.shtml [3] http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/ http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/

CaptSpify 9y ago
Although what you say is true, I've been running my own mail server out of my house for years with proper spf/dkim/dns and have never had problems of my mail being sent to spam.