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If Google wasn't able to find the problem, then they probably should rollback. They can't hurt their customers this way.

snuxoll 9y ago
You say that like Google cares, over the years they've amassed a large swatch of consumer email users (probably due to Android) - they have basically gotten to a position where they set the rules and if it hurts you tough luck. Email deliverability is a hard problem these days, spam has caused us so much grief that large email providers are doing really annoying things in their spam filters to combat the problem but I've noticed more and more legitimate email is getting caught in the crossfire. Unfortunately, I don't see this being fixed anytime soon - and it's personally making my life increasingly difficult as someone who had to give up self-hosting his email and switching to a hosted Zimbra service just to stop getting flagged by Google as spam (even though I passed DMARC/DKIM and SPF validation and had a non-blacklisted IP).
- kuschku 9y ago
  > as someone who had to give up self-hosting his email and switching to a hosted Zimbra service just to stop getting flagged by Google as spam (even though I passed DMARC/DKIM and SPF validation and had a non-blacklisted IP). There is a trick how you can get out of the spamfilter: Send mail, regularly (like a few mails per week) to friends/family that use Googlemail, and tell them to mark your mail as "not spam". After roughly a month, you’ll have gathered enough points that Googlemail won’t mark you as spam anymore.
AznHisoka 9y ago
The people sending these newsletters aren't even their customers, for the most part. They're customers of AWeber, Mailchimp, etc. And for the people receiving these emails? This is a nuisance at best. Although if 99% of the population stopped receiving emails from their friends, etc, THEN this would be a bigger mainstream issue. Right now? Nobody's worrying (especially in Google right now) except a few newsletter senders.
kazinator 9y ago
You mean their product? People don't pay for gmail, so they're not customers. If you can't figure out what is being sold in the situation to keep the business afloat, what is being sold is you.

snuxoll 9y ago

You say that like Google cares, over the years they've amassed a large swatch of consumer email users (probably due to Android) - they have basically gotten to a position where they set the rules and if it hurts you tough luck. Email deliverability is a hard problem these days, spam has caused us so much grief that large email providers are doing really annoying things in their spam filters to combat the problem but I've noticed more and more legitimate email is getting caught in the crossfire. Unfortunately, I don't see this being fixed anytime soon - and it's personally making my life increasingly difficult as someone who had to give up self-hosting his email and switching to a hosted Zimbra service just to stop getting flagged by Google as spam (even though I passed DMARC/DKIM and SPF validation and had a non-blacklisted IP).

kuschku 9y ago
> as someone who had to give up self-hosting his email and switching to a hosted Zimbra service just to stop getting flagged by Google as spam (even though I passed DMARC/DKIM and SPF validation and had a non-blacklisted IP). There is a trick how you can get out of the spamfilter: Send mail, regularly (like a few mails per week) to friends/family that use Googlemail, and tell them to mark your mail as "not spam". After roughly a month, you’ll have gathered enough points that Googlemail won’t mark you as spam anymore.

AznHisoka 9y ago

The people sending these newsletters aren't even their customers, for the most part. They're customers of AWeber, Mailchimp, etc. And for the people receiving these emails? This is a nuisance at best. Although if 99% of the population stopped receiving emails from their friends, etc, THEN this would be a bigger mainstream issue. Right now? Nobody's worrying (especially in Google right now) except a few newsletter senders.

kazinator 9y ago

You mean their product? People don't pay for gmail, so they're not customers. If you can't figure out what is being sold in the situation to keep the business afloat, what is being sold is you.