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I think you're grossly undervaluing the impact Apple has had in computing over the years. The iPhone is an engineering accomplishment, which has served to remak

I think you're grossly undervaluing the impact Apple has had in computing over the years. The iPhone is an engineering accomplishment, which has served to remake the way that people interact with each other. The comparison of Apple and Tesla/SpaceX in terms of what they produce is practically apples and oranges. I don't get why people are so quick to dismiss the accomplishments of Apple; there've been numerous technologies that they backed, which are now critical to computing today. LLVM for example (yes, technically came out of a phd), this has been huge for the computing industry as a whole... I know it's not a rocket, but the software that runs and uses the satellites is just as important as launching the satellites (and no, I have no idea if any satellites use LLVM for any compilation).

rxhernandez 9y ago
For me at least, you're grossly overvaluing how much of an engineering accomplishment the iPhone was. I had windows mobile phones for at least a couple years before the iPhone came out and those phones had basic functionality that the iPhone was plain missing for years like mms and copy/paste.
- tinus_hn 9y ago
  Yeah if only Bill Gates had had the same charisma as Steve Jobs, we would all be walking around with these fantastic fixed keyboard resistive touch models with user interfaces that require pens, instead of these boring multitouch slate smartphones.
- anko 9y ago
  There is this common misunderstanding that technical people have when it comes to design. I think it's because a list of features makes it seem easy to "compare" two things fairly. It works especially well in the enterprise - if you're in that space you just add an MVP for every feature your competitors have, so when your clients are comparing products yours always seems like a better deal. The thing about design is, it's about tradeoffs. Good design is stripping things down to their most essential - working out what matters most. It's having courage to say no before something is ready. I would argue that copy/paste was added to iphone prematurely - it only became good when force (3d) touch was introduced. This stuff has been argued to death because people dislike apple's decisions. Like them or not, the iPhone changed the industry and set the bar for the competition. If a windows phone was so compelling, everyone would have had one! If MMS was so important then why don't we all have nokias? The proof is in the market! that stuff doesn't matter as much as having an easy to use interface, which was partly multi touch, but also a heck of a lot of engineering.

rxhernandez 9y ago

For me at least, you're grossly overvaluing how much of an engineering accomplishment the iPhone was. I had windows mobile phones for at least a couple years before the iPhone came out and those phones had basic functionality that the iPhone was plain missing for years like mms and copy/paste.

tinus_hn 9y ago
Yeah if only Bill Gates had had the same charisma as Steve Jobs, we would all be walking around with these fantastic fixed keyboard resistive touch models with user interfaces that require pens, instead of these boring multitouch slate smartphones.
anko 9y ago
There is this common misunderstanding that technical people have when it comes to design. I think it's because a list of features makes it seem easy to "compare" two things fairly. It works especially well in the enterprise - if you're in that space you just add an MVP for every feature your competitors have, so when your clients are comparing products yours always seems like a better deal. The thing about design is, it's about tradeoffs. Good design is stripping things down to their most essential - working out what matters most. It's having courage to say no before something is ready. I would argue that copy/paste was added to iphone prematurely - it only became good when force (3d) touch was introduced. This stuff has been argued to death because people dislike apple's decisions. Like them or not, the iPhone changed the industry and set the bar for the competition. If a windows phone was so compelling, everyone would have had one! If MMS was so important then why don't we all have nokias? The proof is in the market! that stuff doesn't matter as much as having an easy to use interface, which was partly multi touch, but also a heck of a lot of engineering.