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Vastly more people "live in society" then what you apparently see in your bubble. The right to vote is guaranteed to every citizen in this country. EVERY citize

Vastly more people "live in society" then what you apparently see in your bubble. The right to vote is guaranteed to every citizen in this country. EVERY citizen. Even the old, the infirm, the disabled, the slave-descended, and the naturalized. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-black-man-brought-3-forms-of-id-to-the-polls-in-wisconsin-he-still-couldnt-vote/ https://www.thenation.com/article/a-black-man-brought-3-form... http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24490932/ns/politics-decision_08/t/nuns-dated-id-turned-away-ind-polls/#.WV6PNNPysyk http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24490932/ns/politics-decision_08/t... When you can vote with a gun license and not with a student ID, you know exactly what they're doing.

tracker1 9y ago
And travel is also a right, but these same 0.03% of the population would have similar issues getting a driver's license. Also, the guy in the Wisconsin article had to deal with a law that changed over 5 years prior.. you're saying that 5 years isn't enough time to get a state issued ID? Regarding gun license vs. student id, student ids don't indicate nation of birth, or non-citizenship. Though, I don't think a gun license should either. But I'm not in favor of gun licensing as a general rule. I'm not trying to belittle anyone's struggle here, but I wouldn't expect to put off getting my ID renewed for however long, then take care of it right before voting. Depending on residence, it might be easier to get an absentee ballot. Beyond this, not every state has enacted voter laws the same, or made it nearly as difficult to get a state issued ID.
- omegaworks 9y ago
  > Air travel is a right It comes down to a question of fundamentally, who are we as a people? Air travel doesn't define who we are as Americans. We believe, fundamentally, that citizens have the unalienable, inviolable right to democratically elect their representatives in government. It's literally [EDIT: We've fought long and hard for it to be] in the contract :) >It is not hard for me, therefore it is not hard. These people should have just had the foresight, resources and knowledge of their local regulations to prepare all the documentation they needed to vote beforehand. I hope by stating it this way you see the strategy for what it is: a formula for denying citizens--with the right to vote--the ability to do so. It's a classic onboarding funnel problem. Ask any Product Engineer worth their salt: if you're trying to get people to do a thing: buy a product, click a button, etc, you minimize the number of barriers to that action. This does the opposite, for no good reason. >Beyond this, not every state has enacted voter laws the same, or made it nearly as difficult to get a state issued ID. [Therefore it is not a problem] Remember Trump only won because certain key states swung by tiny margins. These states resurrected Jim Crow Voting Restriction laws, sold them as a solution to a problem that doesn't statistically occur, and affected the outcome in real, measurable ways. (See zimpenfish's response.) It matters. And the GOP is gearing up to take the strategy national. http://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/no-drivers-license-tsa-rule http://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/no-drivers...

tracker1 9y ago

And travel is also a right, but these same 0.03% of the population would have similar issues getting a driver's license. Also, the guy in the Wisconsin article had to deal with a law that changed over 5 years prior.. you're saying that 5 years isn't enough time to get a state issued ID? Regarding gun license vs. student id, student ids don't indicate nation of birth, or non-citizenship. Though, I don't think a gun license should either. But I'm not in favor of gun licensing as a general rule. I'm not trying to belittle anyone's struggle here, but I wouldn't expect to put off getting my ID renewed for however long, then take care of it right before voting. Depending on residence, it might be easier to get an absentee ballot. Beyond this, not every state has enacted voter laws the same, or made it nearly as difficult to get a state issued ID.

omegaworks 9y ago
> Air travel is a right It comes down to a question of fundamentally, who are we as a people? Air travel doesn't define who we are as Americans. We believe, fundamentally, that citizens have the unalienable, inviolable right to democratically elect their representatives in government. It's literally [EDIT: We've fought long and hard for it to be] in the contract :) >It is not hard for me, therefore it is not hard. These people should have just had the foresight, resources and knowledge of their local regulations to prepare all the documentation they needed to vote beforehand. I hope by stating it this way you see the strategy for what it is: a formula for denying citizens--with the right to vote--the ability to do so. It's a classic onboarding funnel problem. Ask any Product Engineer worth their salt: if you're trying to get people to do a thing: buy a product, click a button, etc, you minimize the number of barriers to that action. This does the opposite, for no good reason. >Beyond this, not every state has enacted voter laws the same, or made it nearly as difficult to get a state issued ID. [Therefore it is not a problem] Remember Trump only won because certain key states swung by tiny margins. These states resurrected Jim Crow Voting Restriction laws, sold them as a solution to a problem that doesn't statistically occur, and affected the outcome in real, measurable ways. (See zimpenfish's response.) It matters. And the GOP is gearing up to take the strategy national. http://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/no-drivers-license-tsa-rule http://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/no-drivers...