Well, I'm going back to bed for a few hours. I think I've presented my point as well as I'm inclined to, and our "debate" is starting to ring all of my diminish

Well, I'm going back to bed for a few hours. I think I've presented my point as well as I'm inclined to, and our "debate" is starting to ring all of my diminishing-returns bells. > It seems the guy from Nature was not as well informed as you, because rather than arguing that it is impossible because of established laws of nature, he actually did the experiments. Weird. Cute. Do I really need to point out why, or are you just being deliberately snarky? Because the article pretty well covered all of this. > It seems scientists felt the need to invent "dark matter" and other esoteric stuff at times to explain their theories, so I am not sure how established some of our modern theories really are... And this is where it suddenly dawned on me that debating this further, instead of going to bed, would be foolish. Physicists: "Hmm, this is odd. Given our current understanding of gravity, observations supporting an expanding universe, and current mathematical constants, we appear to be missing a huge amount of mass in the universe." Astronomers: "Hey, don't look at us. We're woefully underfunded, but I'm pretty sure we would've seen a hint of that much stuff by now." Physicists: "Maybe there's some other kind of exotic form of mass that we haven't seen before?" Other physicists: "Well, that doesn't really violate any other principles of physics. It's worth a check. Let's see if we can find it." The under-educated public: "LOL they invented dark matter!" How about, instead of playing debate-hit-and-run by making weak accusations against science ("they felt the need to invent dark matter") and then immediately hiding behind ignorance ("I am not sure how established some of our modern theories really are"), you actually do some reading and find out? The internet is amazing, you can find an answer to pretty much any question you have on any topic. So I'll just leave this here then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter G'night.