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This is so stupid. So WTF does a person who is neither a man nor woman refer to themselves as? You either have a penis or you don't. Stop twisting the definitio

This is so stupid. So WTF does a person who is neither a man nor woman refer to themselves as? You either have a penis or you don't. Stop twisting the definitions. If you're going to be so asinine about changing it to "people," then hopefully you better not ignore the fact that you're now referring to children and babies, which defeats the entire tone of the website.

zhte415 9y ago
Why is it stupid? First, it includes a group of people that do not identify as male or female (physically, or in identity). Then it removes ordinal priority. Take email. In your To: field, who goes first? The person with the email address starting with 'a'? The most senior? A bunch of over-thinking can go into that, which 'people' removes that. Or in email, "Dear All," And then, 'people' could be a team. HN startups seem to be all about, though not exclusively, teams that are co-founders; what one achieves would not be possible without the other. So 'people' makes logical sense where pairs or teams are included. And if there was a baby that had changed the world through software, I'd sure like to meet that baby. Children do hack and create things. And kids have influence on others. The smallest thing can inspire another, so yeah, that voice should be included too. Include kids! Or experiences when kids!
- owebmaster 9y ago
  > And if there was a baby that had changed the world through software, I'd sure like to meet that baby. Children do hack and create things. And kids have influence on others. The smallest thing can inspire another, so yeah, that voice should be included too. Include kids! Or experiences when kids! This is not up to you. It is not your project. "woman and man" are inclusive enough, because they cover 100% born people. You can have an even more sensitive (not inclusive because 100% is the limit) approach but it is a matter of taste, nobody is entitled to be lecturing people about how should they approach their customers.
  - drakonka 9y ago
    I don't think they were lecturing, it was just a suggestion - one that the OP who is involved with the project seems to have decided to take on-board.
drakonka 9y ago
I don't think your personal opinion of people who don't identify as a man or a woman is at all relevant to the suggestion, though. I also doubt anyone would read the sentence "Meet the people who created the software that powers the modern world." and conclude that they're going to be meeting some babies.
zachlatta 9y ago
> You either have a penis or you don't. Stop twisting the definitions. This is not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

zhte415 9y ago

Why is it stupid? First, it includes a group of people that do not identify as male or female (physically, or in identity). Then it removes ordinal priority. Take email. In your To: field, who goes first? The person with the email address starting with 'a'? The most senior? A bunch of over-thinking can go into that, which 'people' removes that. Or in email, "Dear All," And then, 'people' could be a team. HN startups seem to be all about, though not exclusively, teams that are co-founders; what one achieves would not be possible without the other. So 'people' makes logical sense where pairs or teams are included. And if there was a baby that had changed the world through software, I'd sure like to meet that baby. Children do hack and create things. And kids have influence on others. The smallest thing can inspire another, so yeah, that voice should be included too. Include kids! Or experiences when kids!

owebmaster 9y ago
> And if there was a baby that had changed the world through software, I'd sure like to meet that baby. Children do hack and create things. And kids have influence on others. The smallest thing can inspire another, so yeah, that voice should be included too. Include kids! Or experiences when kids! This is not up to you. It is not your project. "woman and man" are inclusive enough, because they cover 100% born people. You can have an even more sensitive (not inclusive because 100% is the limit) approach but it is a matter of taste, nobody is entitled to be lecturing people about how should they approach their customers.
- drakonka 9y ago
  I don't think they were lecturing, it was just a suggestion - one that the OP who is involved with the project seems to have decided to take on-board.

drakonka 9y ago

I don't think your personal opinion of people who don't identify as a man or a woman is at all relevant to the suggestion, though. I also doubt anyone would read the sentence "Meet the people who created the software that powers the modern world." and conclude that they're going to be meeting some babies.

zachlatta 9y ago

> You either have a penis or you don't. Stop twisting the definitions. This is not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex