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It might not be as racist as you imply. The fact is those fellow programmers "across the pond" are usually not experienced. That's why they're so cheap. Afte

It might not be as racist as you imply. The fact is those fellow programmers "across the pond" are usually not experienced. That's why they're so cheap. After they get a few years experience they leave to start getting paid. Because of this, outsourcing firms usually have insane turn over and actually do give back a "ridiculous mess". If this weren't the case programming would probably have been outsourced years ago. Having face time is worth something, but not worth the discrepancy in pay between outsource and insourced.

mavelikara 16y ago
"The fact is those fellow programmers "across the pond" are usually not experienced. That's why they're so cheap." Would you entertain the possibility that their wages are lower because the cost of living in their countries are also lower? I agree that many outsourcing firms operate the way you described it. But then, I think that many people who call themselves professional programmers here in the US should never have been allowed near a keyboard unattended. The author takes offense when corporations paint all programmers with a broad brush and view them as "monkeys banging on a keyboard" - but somehow she has no issues applying a similar description to programmers elsewhere.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  >Would you entertain the possibility that their wages are lower because the cost of living in their countries are also lower? In the connected world we live in now, people can see what they could be making. If they can be mobile then many are going to (and do) take advantage of it. They gain enough experience, move to a country with a higher salary and then invest the money back home. Why would you spend your life working for a "comfortable but frugal lower middle class lifestyle" when you could be rich without having to put out much more effort?

mavelikara 16y ago

"The fact is those fellow programmers "across the pond" are usually not experienced. That's why they're so cheap." Would you entertain the possibility that their wages are lower because the cost of living in their countries are also lower? I agree that many outsourcing firms operate the way you described it. But then, I think that many people who call themselves professional programmers here in the US should never have been allowed near a keyboard unattended. The author takes offense when corporations paint all programmers with a broad brush and view them as "monkeys banging on a keyboard" - but somehow she has no issues applying a similar description to programmers elsewhere.

loewenskind 16y ago
>Would you entertain the possibility that their wages are lower because the cost of living in their countries are also lower? In the connected world we live in now, people can see what they could be making. If they can be mobile then many are going to (and do) take advantage of it. They gain enough experience, move to a country with a higher salary and then invest the money back home. Why would you spend your life working for a "comfortable but frugal lower middle class lifestyle" when you could be rich without having to put out much more effort?