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"You are not capable of telling if your back pain, for example, was cured by homeopathy or had run its course." In my case, I may not be because it was for 3 d

"You are not capable of telling if your back pain, for example, was cured by homeopathy or had run its course." In my case, I may not be because it was for 3 days. But then I cured a large number of people for similar complaints within 1 day. Couple of weeks ago, I recommended Rhustox200 to a friend of a friend who had back pain for the last 1 year. This had started when he lifted a heavy object at that time. Rhuxtox faithfully cured him. Before that pain killers were temporary relief. I am just narrating my positive experience for the last 10 years. And my point is that it works for me as it claims. As I said in my comment, I have helped countless cases (fevers, pains etc) where relief was required within hours or days and I always got good results with homeopathy. Homoepathy has cured, in my experience, really really serious cases in such a simple way that sometimes I just wonder what all this is; a placebo effect?

carbocation 16y ago
You say that homeopathy has cured many people. I believe you have stumbled upon one of the magical things in medicine: in acute cases of most diseases, people get recover. Even if we did nothing, most people would get better. Unfortunately, homeopathy is the clinical equivalent to nothing, so you are only observing people's natural history - not improving their outcome with your treatments. I urge you to very carefully consider if someone needs actual medical care in the future, and to refer appropriately.
- a_believer 16y ago
  " in acute cases of most diseases, people get recover. Even if we did nothing, most people would get better. " I mentioned acute problems because results are more easily verifiable. Say you are having fever or allergy for last few hours and take a homoepathy medicine and get cured. Now you know that your disease runs its course in 3-7 days and has been obviously helped by homeopath. Homeopathy is also good in chronic cases and I successfully help many people.
thaumaturgy 16y ago
The problem with people that eschew science is that they no longer know how to even tell if what they're doing is actually working the way they think it is, or not. > Couple of weeks ago, I recommended Rhustox200 to a friend of a friend who had back pain for the last 1 year. This had started when he lifted a heavy object at that time. Rhuxtox faithfully cured him. Before that pain killers were temporary relief. What was the biological cause of the pain? Was it neuromuscular? Was it nervous system? Had there been any medical diagnosis of injury before the "treatment"? Any follow-up diagnosis? What was your follow-up? What is his subsequent range of motion? How much weight can he dead lift now? Has he taken any other treatments since? What was the timing between your "treatment" and any other treatments? Was his "cure" independently verified by anyone so that he didn't feel compelled to tell a friend-of-a-friend that it worked even if it didn't? How many people have you "treated" that did not get better at all? The maddening thing about saying that it might just all be "a placebo effect" is that that explanation implies that the treatment has actually worked, even in an indirect way, when in fact there's no evidence that it works at all. This is pretty much the very example of cargo-cultism: taking magic pills and then trying to correlate positive effects with them.
- a_believer 16y ago
  "What was the biological cause of the pain? Was it neuromuscular? Was it nervous system? ....." To use Rhuxtox, we only need to know (short version) if the ailment was caused by strain, overlifting, getting wet while perspiring. And it will work. I just mentioned one case but it has worked in many similar cases. In this particular case, the patient had stopped using pain killers because of side effects and he felt much better within first 3 days and after 1 week much better. Rhuxtox will keep working for him and if his complete recovery stops, he will get Rhuxtox 200 again or the next higher potency (Rhuxtox 1M). "How many people have you "treated" that did not get better at all?" This is an interesting point. Sometimes when I prescribe incorrect medicine (mostly because I was not careful enough taking symptoms, causes) the medicines does not work at all. Even though the patient is believer. For example if the abdomen pain is due to injury (Arnica 30 is correct medicine) and I give Colocynthis (for spasmodic pain), it won't work. Correcting the medicine will bring cure. And there are times when I can't help people get better, mostly because I am not that good, though the patient has faithfully used medicine for quite some time. See place effect is not working here. In such cases I recommend him to get consultation from professional homeopaths I know and he/she in fact gets better from someone with more knowledge. Placebos working again. Isn't it strange?
DaveChild 16y ago
> I cured a large number of people for similar complaints > my point is that it works for me as it claims. My point is that you are entirely unqualified to tell what works, and you are going to end up hurting yourself or someone else. "Works for me" is meaningless. It either works, or it doesn't. In homeopathy's case, it has been demonstrated time and again that it does nothing; it is indistinguishable from a placebo.

carbocation 16y ago

You say that homeopathy has cured many people. I believe you have stumbled upon one of the magical things in medicine: in acute cases of most diseases, people get recover. Even if we did nothing, most people would get better. Unfortunately, homeopathy is the clinical equivalent to nothing, so you are only observing people's natural history - not improving their outcome with your treatments. I urge you to very carefully consider if someone needs actual medical care in the future, and to refer appropriately.

a_believer 16y ago
" in acute cases of most diseases, people get recover. Even if we did nothing, most people would get better. " I mentioned acute problems because results are more easily verifiable. Say you are having fever or allergy for last few hours and take a homoepathy medicine and get cured. Now you know that your disease runs its course in 3-7 days and has been obviously helped by homeopath. Homeopathy is also good in chronic cases and I successfully help many people.

thaumaturgy 16y ago

The problem with people that eschew science is that they no longer know how to even tell if what they're doing is actually working the way they think it is, or not. > Couple of weeks ago, I recommended Rhustox200 to a friend of a friend who had back pain for the last 1 year. This had started when he lifted a heavy object at that time. Rhuxtox faithfully cured him. Before that pain killers were temporary relief. What was the biological cause of the pain? Was it neuromuscular? Was it nervous system? Had there been any medical diagnosis of injury before the "treatment"? Any follow-up diagnosis? What was your follow-up? What is his subsequent range of motion? How much weight can he dead lift now? Has he taken any other treatments since? What was the timing between your "treatment" and any other treatments? Was his "cure" independently verified by anyone so that he didn't feel compelled to tell a friend-of-a-friend that it worked even if it didn't? How many people have you "treated" that did not get better at all? The maddening thing about saying that it might just all be "a placebo effect" is that that explanation implies that the treatment has actually worked, even in an indirect way, when in fact there's no evidence that it works at all. This is pretty much the very example of cargo-cultism: taking magic pills and then trying to correlate positive effects with them.

a_believer 16y ago
"What was the biological cause of the pain? Was it neuromuscular? Was it nervous system? ....." To use Rhuxtox, we only need to know (short version) if the ailment was caused by strain, overlifting, getting wet while perspiring. And it will work. I just mentioned one case but it has worked in many similar cases. In this particular case, the patient had stopped using pain killers because of side effects and he felt much better within first 3 days and after 1 week much better. Rhuxtox will keep working for him and if his complete recovery stops, he will get Rhuxtox 200 again or the next higher potency (Rhuxtox 1M). "How many people have you "treated" that did not get better at all?" This is an interesting point. Sometimes when I prescribe incorrect medicine (mostly because I was not careful enough taking symptoms, causes) the medicines does not work at all. Even though the patient is believer. For example if the abdomen pain is due to injury (Arnica 30 is correct medicine) and I give Colocynthis (for spasmodic pain), it won't work. Correcting the medicine will bring cure. And there are times when I can't help people get better, mostly because I am not that good, though the patient has faithfully used medicine for quite some time. See place effect is not working here. In such cases I recommend him to get consultation from professional homeopaths I know and he/she in fact gets better from someone with more knowledge. Placebos working again. Isn't it strange?

DaveChild 16y ago

> I cured a large number of people for similar complaints > my point is that it works for me as it claims. My point is that you are entirely unqualified to tell what works, and you are going to end up hurting yourself or someone else. "Works for me" is meaningless. It either works, or it doesn't. In homeopathy's case, it has been demonstrated time and again that it does nothing; it is indistinguishable from a placebo.