You don't seem to want to have this discussion in good faith and want to continue returning to reductionist "gotcha! we have non-NW Euro cultures too!" when I e

You don't seem to want to have this discussion in good faith and want to continue returning to reductionist "gotcha! we have non-NW Euro cultures too!" when I explicitly prefaced and qualified what I was saying multiple times to try to avoid these pointless gotchas. You obviously have an agenda you wish to push, and whether or not that agenda has a lot of support from science or history doesn't seem of interest to you, so I too will leave the discussion here.