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> True, but socially, we've moved past that. There might be the rare individual baker who would not want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, because he's a devout
by Latty 9y ago
> True, but socially, we've moved past that. There might be the rare individual baker who would not want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, because he's a devout Christian or Muslim or whatever and thinks homosexuality is a sin. But 98% of businesses won't care, as long as you can pay the bill.
Untrue. There are still many communities where you can be totally ostracized for those things. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Furthermore, this misses the point - even if there wasn't active discrimination in that way, it doesn't mean there isn't societal pressure or a need for minority groups to get minorities into a community in order to integrate that culture.
> We'll never be rid of all discrimination. It's just a flaw in human nature. We should keep educating and working against it. But I think we're largely past the institutionalized (to say nothing of codified) discrimination of the past centuries.
I mean, sure, but I'm sure people said the same thing about murder, then rape, etc..., etc... - we should always be working to reduce these things.
We are not at the point where discrimination is some crazily rare thing like murder is in modern societies.
- mistermann 9y ago> Untrue. There are still many communities where you can be totally ostracized for those things. Could you name a two or three so we have some idea what you're talking about?
- monocasa 9y agoSure, I grew up in an affluent suburb of Atlanta. If you had a Kerry sticker on your car in the high school parking lot, there was a squad of kids that would break your windows, slash your tires, and key your car. The school had cameras, but refused to investigate the matter. I had friend who was gay, and after he got off the bus one day, all of the kids on that side of the bus threw rocks at him. He was in a coma for a few days.
- mistermann 9y agoIn modern day Atlanta there is widespread stoning of gays? I find this a bit hard to believe.
- monocasa 9y agoCobb County is way more red than most of Atlanta.
- mistermann 9y agoIs there widespread stoning of gays? One would think in the year 2017 this might make the news, or at least YouTube or Reddit.
- monocasa 9y agoThis was in 2004. And define widespread? Like was it sure to happen if you were out? No. If you started a GSA club like he did, more likely. I think the term 'uppity' was thrown around.
- mistermann 9y ago> And define widespread? Well, was this an isolated incident or not? Better yet, let's use your prior definition: > If someone refuses me, the white straight male, the chance to buy something, I go somewhere else. That's not the case for some minorities however. If everyone won't provide wedding services for you, or everyone won't let you attend a class, or everyone won't sell you food, you can't live your life. Commonly discriminated minorities have to be protected because they have a right to do what they want as well. Just as you are free to do what you want, but that doesn't include murdering people. You are free to refuse service, but not based on things that mean that person can't get service anywhere.
- monocasa 9y ago> Well, was this an isolated incident or not? An event that had the implicit backing of the school administration sent a widespread message. Lynching in the wasn't 'widespread', but it's message was. According to this: http://time.com/3703386/jim-crow-lynchings http://time.com/3703386/jim-crow-lynchings Georgia had 586 total lynchings from 1877 until 1950. That's about 1 per county per generation. > your prior definition: Check usernames.